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AFLago

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Hi all,

Well, Type 2, diagnosed in 2018, with a HBA1c of 6.4%. GP prescribed metformin & atorvastatin. Since then, regular tests went well (5.3-6.2% A1c)..until this year. I really didn't followed a diet all these years, and this January the tests worsened (A1c 7.2%, fasting glucose at 139 mg/dl).

My GP directly prescribed Synjardy (Jardiance), 5mg empaglifozin/1000 metformin (I was on two daily 850 mg metformin pills plus 1 daily atorvastatin 40mg). Well, after seeing the side efects on the prospect, I thought to said no to Synjardy. I asked my GP for some more time on the regular metformin instead - and tasking myself on changing the diet. He said no! "only by diet and metformin you won't lower your blood sugar levels". Honestly, I can't understand his reasoning.

Well, I went to a private GP who agreed to first try on changing diet (with certain changes, like avoiding drinking water at the meals, drinking it at least 30 minutes before the meals, and taking the metformin shortly before launch & dinner - not at breakfast & dinner). He also advised against Synjardy, not at the moment at least.

So I started a low carbo diet, on March 18. I've read some trials that suggest better results if one eats first the protein/fat serving, then wait some 15 minutes or so to go for the carbohydrate serving, so I followed that. I erradicated any type of bread; cakes, rices, pasta, going instead for mushrooms, broad white beans, turnip greens, spinach, tomatoes & lettuces, for the carbo servings. For protein/fat I switch between fish (sardin, hake, tuna, salmon) and chicken (grillen breast) or turkey breast. Also purchased a glucometer, starting measuring my fasting & post-meals 2h glucose.

I'm frankly surprised that it seems to work (the diet)..my fasting glucose the second week lowered to a 78-90 mg/dl range (previously was on the 110+ range, 115-130 sometimes), and the postmeals-2h glucose lowered to 92-111 (it was in the 130-170, sometimes reaching 200). In these few weeks I lost 3 kg of weight.

Tomorrow I have appointment with my GP (the first one), and I'll ask him to get back the treatment for the 850mg metformin (which he insisted to stop, replacing it with Synjardy). I'll go with my glucometer - I hope now he will listen (and of course, including the discounts for the strips and needles on the prescription!!)
 
Welcome to the forum @AFLago

Are you an expat in Portugal? Or is that where you are from?

Sounds like you are finding a system that works for you. Many members here find ‘eating to their meter’ a very practical way to manage blood glucose levels, or balance their menu with any meds they are taking.

Hope the appointment goes well and the GP is supportive of the strategies you are developing.

For forum members in the UK, you’ll just need to divide @AFLago ‘s mg/dl results by 18 to get them in mmol/L 🙂
 
Your blood glucose levels don't sound desperately high and you have managed to bring them down well. Many people do manage to get their level back to normal level by diet only and find low carbohydrate approach successful having less than 130g total carbs per day but many do need to go lower than that to manage levels where they need to be.
You may find this link useful for some new ideas. https://lowcarbfreshwell.co.uk/
 
Welcome to the forum @AFLago

Are you an expat in Portugal? Or is that where you are from?

Sounds like you are finding a system that works for you. Many members here find ‘eating to their meter’ a very practical way to manage blood glucose levels, or balance their menu with any meds they are taking.

Hope the appointment goes well and the GP is supportive of the strategies you are developing.

For forum members in the UK, you’ll just need to divide @AFLago ‘s mg/dl results by 18 to get them in mmol/L 🙂
Hi,

No, I'm from Spain. Ah, ok ..sorry for posting in mg/dl! .

Just returned from my GP. Unfortunately he clearly insists on Synjardy prescription - though I fully explained him that I've never been on a proper diet, and now I'm on it. He prescribed again synjardy for "the very good results reducing the CV risk, not only the glucose lowering". I told him that I won't take it unless completely neccesary. Franky, I did ask him what CV risk am I, given all routine cardio checks and BP seems normal (he didn't pointed to them in the checkups). He replied (again) that the new meds "considerably lower" the CV risk...

At least he granted and prescribed again the metformin. Well, I hope my A1C normalize a bit (next lab test in May 2).
 
Your blood glucose levels don't sound desperately high and you have managed to bring them down well. Many people do manage to get their level back to normal level by diet only and find low carbohydrate approach successful having less than 130g total carbs per day but many do need to go lower than that to manage levels where they need to be.
You may find this link useful for some new ideas. https://lowcarbfreshwell.co.uk/
Thanks!
 
...and I forgot to note: strips and needles (FreeStyle lite meter) he told me isn't covered by social security here for type 2 dm patients who are on metformin (1st line of treatments). Pity.
 
Hi @AFLago and welcome to the forum.
It's unfortunate that the NHS doesn't see the benefit of testing the BG effect of meals for all Type 2 diabetics, only for those taking insulin or other glucose lowering drug. However once you have tested meals for a few weeks you already 'know' the range of BG rise you will get from most meal because you've measured it several times before.
In theory I still 'eat to my meter' or 'count carbs' but find that I now only need to test my BG response to a meal about once per month now I'm in (drug free) remission.
 
Hi @AFLago and welcome to the forum.
It's unfortunate that the NHS doesn't see the benefit of testing the BG effect of meals for all Type 2 diabetics, only for those taking insulin or other glucose lowering drug. However once you have tested meals for a few weeks you already 'know' the range of BG rise you will get from most meal because you've measured it several times before.
In theory I still 'eat to my meter' or 'count carbs' but find that I now only need to test my BG response to a meal about once per month now I'm in (drug free) remission.
Yes...I'm doing it "by the meter" (first week was 6 times a day, to get a clear reference, today only after wake up + after 2h of lunch, before dinner, and 2h after dinner). I recall, on the first week, it was really incredible to check that 2 hours after eating a full-length squid sandwich (white bread) my bg skyrocketted to 14 (in mmol units). That was frankly a revelation.
 
Yes and the exact same food can affect different Type 2's differently. Some can eat apples where my body can't even handle a sweet veg like a parsnip or a carrot. So testing different food (not just looking at net carbs or Glycaemic Index) is the only way to know what suits you and what to cut down on or avoid.
 
Congratulations. That is a nice reduction, but not so fast as to be a concern. Keep up the good work !
 
Congratulations. That is a nice reduction, but not so fast as to be a concern. Keep up the good work !

Thanks!

BTW, I'm observing that, with the same diet & exercise & medications, starting last week my FBG at wake-up is increasing (ranging from 31 mmol/mol minimum to 37 maximum). Previously, it was almost always (starting 10 days into the diet) 23-30. The only reason I can think of is due to not... sleeping enough? (due to work load since two weeks ago) or it's just the body slowly adapting? or ..the stress, higher cortisol perhaps, I don't know.
 
Are those FBG figures correct? You’re waking up with a bg of 31-37? I’ve never heard of a meter that would read as high as 37mmol, they normally just say HI beyond that point. Your fbg of 27 in the test is really really high too. Are you using different units as that sort of dangerously high bg doesn’t correlate with your a1c.
 
Are those FBG figures correct? You’re waking up with a bg of 31-37? I’ve never heard of a meter that would read as high as 37mmol, they normally just say HI beyond that point. Your fbg of 27 in the test is really really high too. Are you using different units as that sort of dangerously high bg doesn’t correlate with your a1c.
ugh ..I'm sorry - I again posted in mmol/mol , not in mmol/L !

in mg/dl (the unit of my meter): the new range I'm getting for wakening FBG is 96/97 to 108 (maximum), whereas previously it was in the 78-94 range! (in mg/dl)
 
It is simply that type 2s can't cope with carbohydrate. Eat less carbohydrate, check that your blood glucose levels are not going high after eating and wait for everything to become normal again.
GPs might be totally oblivious to this but low carb diets have been around since the 1800s, in the mid 1900s Dr Atkinson was curing type 2s and reducing the insulin requirements of type 1s - and the medical profession ridiculed it decade after decade.
Fortunately it works even if you don't believe in the magic.
 
ugh ..I'm sorry - I again posted in mmol/mol , not in mmol/L !

in mg/dl (the unit of my meter): the new range I'm getting for wakening FBG is 96/97 to 108 (maximum), whereas previously it was in the 78-94 range! (in mg/dl)
We use mmol/l in the UK but taking the average of your 2 ranges observed and converting there there is only about a 1mmol/l difference which is well within the variation people observe day to day anyway. When the numbers are bigger it psychologically seems more.
 
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