Hba1c gone down cholesterol gone up

Leeanne

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Hi hba1c gone down from 106 to 55 over 6 months metformin 1000 and forxiga.
Cholesterol gone up from 5.5 to 7.
Nurses at practice want me to follow 2 different diets carbs and no saturated fats for lower cholesterol and high fats including cheese butter etc for hba1c.
Don't really know how to approach this got doctor appointment next week but just want advice from someone who has gone through it
 
Saturated fats are an entirely natural foodstuff - they are used to maintain our brain and nervous system, they are part of the immune system and are the building blocks for various substances which control vital processes.
I have asked various GPs and nurses advocating reduction in cholesterol for the figures showing the reduction in mortality lowering cholesterol brings about, or the increase in lifespan for those taking statins compared with those who do not. I am still waiting.
There are inductions that older women live longer with higher than average cholesterol, than those with lower than average cholesterol.
When losing weight cholesterol increases as it is used to move fat from the cells to the liver to be broken down.
When taking Atorvastatin I suffered dreadful aches and pains and could only walk with sticks. My memory was affected, and my mental abilities. Even if it did extend life, living in a care home is not how I would wish to exist.
 
Don't worry about Saturated fats as they don't raise cholesterol; all based on various myths rather than solid research. The liver controls your blood cholesterol
 
My A12 was 41 in April …reduced from 67 the previous September…and overall cholesterol was 3.6. I’m on a low dose of basal insulin, 1metformin tablet and was taking 10 mg of Atorvastatin.
Last week my A1c dropped to 39 but cholesterol was up to 6.5. I had stopped taking the Atorvastatin 2 months ago and I’ve lost 9k since the beginning of the year.
My diabetic nurse told me that ‘diabetics’ have thick blood and I need the statin to protect myself.
I’m 75, female and need to lose more weight and maintain my diabetic control. I also share your dilemma re diet.
 
Don't worry about Saturated fats as they don't raise cholesterol; all based on various myths rather than solid research. The liver controls your blood cholesterol

There is significantly more evidence than you suggest which associates increased saturated fat intake with raised blood cholesterol, particularly LDL.

It is true that much of the cholesterol we have in circulation is generated by the liver, but diet has a measurable effect too.
 
Hi hba1c gone down from 106 to 55 over 6 months metformin 1000 and forxiga.
Cholesterol gone up from 5.5 to 7.

Congratulations on your HbA1c reduction @Leeanne

That’s great news!

Can you remember if your cholesterol check was fasting or non-fasting? I think either are valid, but there can be differences and fluctuations based on your last meal.

Have you been offered a statin? That would be an obvious option to help reduce your cholesterol, and improve the distribution of the different types of blood fats.

There are changes you can make to reduce cholesterol by reviewing your diet, but you have to make the changes quite carefully. Fat is an essential nutrient, but the right types of fats need to be chosen, and choosing highly processed ‘low fat’ products isn’t always a great choice, as discussed in this research paper


“There have been multiple issues of concern and controversies around the concept of a low-fat diet. The biggest concern with the promotion of the low-fat diet has been that manufacturing companies are touting products labeled as low-fat products, where they are replacing the fat with large amounts of refined carbohydrates, which increase the risk of metabolic disorders and hypertriglyceridemia. Studies are also reporting that diets rich in carbohydrates, and low in unsaturated fat, can also negatively impact lipoprotein risk factors and increase cardiovascular risks.[3] There is also a proposed theory that refined carbohydrates decrease the cardioprotective action of HDL by altering its metabolic functions.[4] There has undoubtedly been a focus on replacing the carbohydrates for fats, but the specificities of the replaced carbohydrates remain poorly defined.[5]

“There has been a direct relationship between dietary fat intake and cardiovascular disease (CVD).[11] Besides, dietary cholesterol has been a focus of considerable attention due to a direct connection between diet and blood cholesterol levels and the subsequent risk for coronary artery disease.[12] The level of LDL particles is the best predictor of cardiovascular risk.[13][14] Studies have concluded that saturated fatty acids raised blood cholesterol levels, whereas PUFA's reduced serum cholesterol levels and MUFA's were neutral.[15] Studies have also found myristic and palmitic acid to have cholesterol elevating effects, whereas stearic acid did not affect the levels.[16] Trans fatty acids are similar to saturated fatty acids in raising cholesterol, as well.[17] The level of saturated fats, trans-fatty acids should be low, and the levels of polyunsaturated fatty acids should be high.[15] The results from the Nurses' Health Study, in which the women who consumed diets low in saturated and trans fatty acids and relatively high in unhydrogenated mono- and polyunsaturated fatty acids had the least risk for cardiovascular outcomes.[18]
 
There is significantly more evidence than you suggest which associates increased saturated fat intake with raised blood cholesterol, particularly LDL.

It is true that much of the cholesterol we have in circulation is generated by the liver, but diet has a measurable effect too.
I got rid of all the 'healthy' oils in my diet, started to use butter, lard etc. and my cholesterol levels went down.
I did ask my GP to check back to the previous tests and said what changes I'd made in my diet and he said - 'that's not right, it shouldn't happen,' and I laughed.
 
Saturated fat has been shown to lead to elevated LDL levels, it's not a myth at all, and LDL levels are linked with CVD problems. There is decades of research into this. I believe the dietary intake causes LDL receptors to stop working.

Mono and poly fats are healthy and essential. Saturated fats are not.

The effect of Saturated fats depends on the food it is contained with, as not all foods containing saturated fats are the same. With dairy, for instance, the overall matrix means the effect is lessened. Same for dark chocolate.

Regarding cholesterol: dietary cholesterol is OK as the liver compensates by producing less. However, for some people this is not the case, and it can lead to elevated levels.
 
My recent test was taken just after breakfast if that makes a difference.
Had full fat greek yogurt very small museli fruit and large coffee with cream.
Trying to follow a real food type diet based on freshwell but not too low carb as on forgxia.
Working well for diabetes it seems
 
My cholesterol total was OK at diagnosis, but LDL was high, HDL was low and Triglycerides were high.
After I lost a lot of weight quickly it went up, but the next test it was all normal.

I have full fat Greek yoghurt and that reminds me I have some double cream, so I might make a coffee with some in, thanks for reminding me!

Real food type of diet - from the Caldesi books - served me well for getting blood glucose under control as well.
 
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