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novorapidboi26
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Welcome from me...............
novorapidboi26
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Its a process that happens in everyone, both diabetic and non diabetic........
In the morning (dawn) a cocktail of hormones are released to help you get your day started by raising your blood sugars, one of which comes from the pancreas alpha cells wich increses resistance to the insulin.....
This can cause problems with diabetics, specfically type 1 as we have to inject out own insulin to keep levels steady....
For example, a few nights back I went to bed at a nice 6.ish mmol/l with no food or insulin, only my background insuln, and woke to blood sugars of 17.ish......😡
In the morning (dawn) a cocktail of hormones are released to help you get your day started by raising your blood sugars, one of which comes from the pancreas alpha cells wich increses resistance to the insulin.....
This can cause problems with diabetics, specfically type 1 as we have to inject out own insulin to keep levels steady....
For example, a few nights back I went to bed at a nice 6.ish mmol/l with no food or insulin, only my background insuln, and woke to blood sugars of 17.ish......😡
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Hi HartHen
It's part of the bodies automatic hormone response (dating way back to out cave dwelling family members I think...)
Essentially your liver 'fires up the burners' often around 5am stimulating a release of glucose into the bloodstream. (I think it's glucagon first, then glycogen then glucose but my biology's a bit shaky). In cave people this served to offer a little energy to help you catch woolly mammoths, but for some diabetics it can mean waking up high more often than not, even when no carbs have been consumed late in the evening before.
The effect varies from person to person, some have little or no DP, but for those with a big liver dump every morning it's very hard to get good breakfast time readings without a pump, or for T2s without some careful diet juggling and perhaps some late nite protein snacking.
The reverse is the Somogyi Effect where a diabetic (usually type 1) drops into an undetected hypo overnight and the liver kicks-in to emergency mode dumping glucose to bring levels up, often rebounding into hyperglycaemia. The snag with these two phenomena is that high BGs for a T1 can be caused by factors which require exactly opposite responses (either more, or less overnight insulin) and it can be very hard to work out which is which without a lot of overnight BG testing
M
Ooops posted at the same time as NRB 🙂
It's part of the bodies automatic hormone response (dating way back to out cave dwelling family members I think...)
Essentially your liver 'fires up the burners' often around 5am stimulating a release of glucose into the bloodstream. (I think it's glucagon first, then glycogen then glucose but my biology's a bit shaky). In cave people this served to offer a little energy to help you catch woolly mammoths, but for some diabetics it can mean waking up high more often than not, even when no carbs have been consumed late in the evening before.
The effect varies from person to person, some have little or no DP, but for those with a big liver dump every morning it's very hard to get good breakfast time readings without a pump, or for T2s without some careful diet juggling and perhaps some late nite protein snacking.
The reverse is the Somogyi Effect where a diabetic (usually type 1) drops into an undetected hypo overnight and the liver kicks-in to emergency mode dumping glucose to bring levels up, often rebounding into hyperglycaemia. The snag with these two phenomena is that high BGs for a T1 can be caused by factors which require exactly opposite responses (either more, or less overnight insulin) and it can be very hard to work out which is which without a lot of overnight BG testing
M
Ooops posted at the same time as NRB 🙂
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The thing is why does it happen in women then? If the blokes were going out to catch something woolly, the women were just hanging around at home doing sod all.
Er, hmmm, do you think I'll get away with that? 😱
Welcome to the forum, by the way. It was nice knowing you, if perhaps for such a brief time.
Andy 🙂
macast
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Hi HartHen and welcome.
Apologies for the remarks of others, but at least you know that the forum has a wide spectrum of peeps.
Andy - don't forget "they" gotta get on with their own tasks; ironing can require lots of energy and don't forget how many calories are needed for that all-important 2hr phone call with the bezzie .... 😱
Apologies for the remarks of others, but at least you know that the forum has a wide spectrum of peeps.
Andy - don't forget "they" gotta get on with their own tasks; ironing can require lots of energy and don't forget how many calories are needed for that all-important 2hr phone call with the bezzie .... 😱
I really hope that we can help.
The following link has lots of information that you might find useful. If any questions arise from it, just ask away!
http://www.diabetessupport.co.uk/boards/showthread.php?t=10406
Andy 🙂
macast
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good grief!!! Andy AND Chris are at it now 😡
LOL..... as you can see Hen the men are 'funny' 🙄
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