Grrr!! BBC sweeping statement!

[Northerner]

Wow, to stop people from getting type 1 or 2, maybe everyone should work for the BBC then, as no one seems to have it there and so can't give an opinion on Diabetes 😉 oh dear, oh dear and oh dear Sheena

You could be right Sheena! Perhaps they all survive by living within a protective bubble of ignorance and prejudice, where they communicate with each other through the language of sensationalist sound bites 😉

 

[Catwoman76]

You could be right Sheena! Perhaps they all survive by living within a protective bubble of ignorance and prejudice, where they communicate with each other through the language of sensationalist sound bites 😉

So true Northerner, lets all have a big laugh at the BBC then silly so and so's Sheena

 

[mcdonagh47]

Clearly, there are many different reasons why people get diabetes (and why some people don't). My neighbour got diagnosed a year or so ago and he's perfectly slim and leads a healthy life. He's 70 and Type 2. Weight and inactivity are risk factors, but if they were the main ones then you'd expect millions more to become diabetic. t.

The mystery of the slim Type 2 diabetics was solved to a certain extent a few years ago when research showed that such "thin" t2s have their internal organs enclosed in fat. So its not visible fat alone that is involved.

Modlak et al did a big resreach project in 2000 on 196,000 people in the Usa.
4.1 % of people with normal BMI were T2 diabetics. This rose to 7.3% for overweight people, 15.9 for obese and 25% for the morbidly obese.

Currently 56% of newly dxed T2s are Obese, so weight does look like a major risk factor.

there was a big reserach project last year which showed that too many calories and lack of physical activity was the cause of weight gain. Blew away the excuse that "its my genes" ( except for a very small minority). can't remeber who published it but it was English research, might have been a Cochrane review of all the evidence.

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"the fault is in ourselves, Dear Brutus, and not our stars that we are Type 2 Diabetics" (with apologies to Shakespeare).

 

[mcdonagh47]

not necessarily. Smoking causes lung cancer but the vast majority of people who smoke do not have lung cancer. In the same way cancer is a multifactorial disease that has genetic components. Despite this, few people would have a problem with the phrase 'smoking causes lung cancer'

Rob Jones, a pop geneticist with a couple of books in print says, If everyone smoked, Lung cancer would clearly be seen to be a genetic condition.

 

[ypauly]

Anybody had a reply to thier complaint yet?

 

[cazscot]

I get really annoyed at the 'Obesity gives you diabetes' nonsense.

Quick Google suggested (DoH 2003) 9.1 million clinically obese people in the UK, plus a further 15 million people who were classed as overweight. This number was expected to rise by 2010. Can't be bothered to look for current data.

Not really a scientist, but if the causal link was that clear cut it would be fair to expect 'most' obese/overweight people to develop T2, rather than the relatively small (10%) proportion, that do.

"Ooooh you caught your diabetes by being overweight you know...."
"Did I really... you must be one of the lucky 90% of people that that rule doesn't apply to then."

Seems to me that for the unlucky 10% the weight gain is a symptom of metabolic breakdown, not a cause of it.

Couldnt agree more the maths just doesnt add up!

 

[mcdonagh47]

Couldnt agree more the maths just doesnt add up!

This piece of research from the Salk Institute explains how Obesity leads to Type 2 Diabetes.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/06/090621143236.htm

 

[rossi_mac]

Hi,

I've not read all the replys here (there are more than 3!)

But seriously do you expect newsreaders/reporters/journalist to speak the whole truth and nothing but the truth? I gave up years ago believing anything they say! A lot of what they say is based on truth but hell most is a load of bull spun by someone wanting a particular view or short of time to tell it all not that they ever do! Even factural programmes with respected journalists are very "debatable" and most of the news is bad news anyway! So I try and avoid!

Don't mean to put a downer on it, good job to highlight these things good work people 🙂


Over & oot

Rossi 😉

 

[robert@fm]

I get really annoyed at the 'Obesity gives you diabetes' nonsense.

So do I. I read recently (unfortunately I can't remember where) somebody putting a good case for T2 causing obesity, rather than the other way round; I think they said that insulin resistance causes glucose to build up in the bloodstream instead of being used, so the liver gets rid of it by storing it as fat.

The most anoying thing for me is people who seem to think that eating sugar causes diabetes!

Like the "obesity causes T2" myth, this is a classic case of confusing cause with effect. The "reasoning" seems to be that since diabetes is an inability to metabolise sugar properly, therefore eating sugar will cause diabetes. Next week, how going for walks causes tetraplegia. 🙄

 

[Copepod]

not necessarily. Smoking causes lung cancer but the vast majority of people who smoke do not have lung cancer. In the same way cancer is a multifactorial disease that has genetic components. Despite this, few people would have a problem with the phrase 'smoking causes lung cancer'

Excellent point, Fruitloaf.
Richard Doll and Austin Bradford Hill published a famous paper in BMJ in 1950, linking cigarette smoking and lung cancer - one of the most elegant examples of epidemiology research. They also followed the smoking habits and health of 30,000 British doctors - when my grandfather died, I found a letter regarding his participation in the study.