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Busdriver60

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Type 3c
Good evening to all!
I hope all is well, I'm back again. I'm sure most people know there's a national and worldwide shortage of creon and nutrazym, I have some at home, but it won't forever, so when I'm running low, what I am supposed to do? My GP can't do anything, my local chemist can't either, they tell me it's a manufacturer's problem. It's as if no one is taking any responsibility or even cares about the situation. What is the answer?
Is there anyone who can shed some light on this?
Thanks in advance.
 
Hi Paul

Sorry to hear you are getting low on Creon. There are a few discussions about it on the forum and there has been a new protocol brought out to try to ensure even distribution of the limited supplies so that whilst people are having to wait for their prescription they are usually getting some after a few weeks wait. I think there are possible options to cut down on your use of them by eating less rich, fatty meals as those are the ones that have the worst impact afterwards if you don't have enough Creon with them, from what I have read. Have you tried reducing your doses at all to see if you can manage with a little less?
It might be worth ringing round all the different pharmacies in your area and see if any of them can supply you with Creon or an alternative, if your current pharmacy is unable to say when they can get some. If you can find somewhere that has it, you will need your current pharmacy to release your script to transfer it over to a chemist that can fulfill it.

I know that just this last week there was a discussion where someone had just managed to source a decent supply and I think someone in Wales was sending their prescription up to the North East of the UK where a friend was able to get it dispensed for him and send it back to him. People are resorting to quite drastic measures.
 
Hi Paul

Sorry to hear you are getting low on Creon. There are a few discussions about it on the forum and there has been a new protocol brought out to try to ensure even distribution of the limited supplies so that whilst people are having to wait for their prescription they are usually getting some after a few weeks wait. I think there are possible options to cut down on your use of them by eating less rich, fatty meals as those are the ones that have the worst impact afterwards if you don't have enough Creon with them, from what I have read. Have you tried reducing your doses at all to see if you can manage with a little less?
It might be worth ringing round all the different pharmacies in your area and see if any of them can supply you with Creon or an alternative, if your current pharmacy is unable to say when they can get some. If you can find somewhere that has it, you will need your current pharmacy to release your script to transfer it over to a chemist that can fulfill it.

I know that just this last week there was a discussion where someone had just managed to source a decent supply and I think someone in Wales was sending their prescription up to the North East of the UK where a friend was able to get it dispensed for him and send it back to him. People are resorting to quite drastic measures.
Thank you Barbara, any advice is always appreciated. Its so lovely to hear from you!
 
Hopefully some Creonistas as we call them will be along soon to give you first hand advice. Will tag @Proud to be erratic @soupdragon @eggyg @victorhamesse to hopefully get the ball rolling and correct anything in my post above that I haven't got quite right.

For future reference, it can help to attract attention to a particular thread by using a key word in the title, so maybe something like..... "Anyone got advice on sourcing Creon?" or "Having difficulty getting Creon" as that will be more likely to jump out and attract Creon users to respond.
 
Hi @Busdriver60

There has been some discussion about this on the thread that I've linked below.
The shortages seen to vary from area to area.
I attended an online session held by my local hospital and added some of the key points towards the end of the thread that I've linked here.
https://forum.diabetes.org.uk/board...-done-to-inform-patients-of-shortages.113045/

The situation seems different depending on where you are. It's been very difficult for me to find Creon over the summer but my most recent request was only slightly delayed.

Hope you locate some supplies soon.
 
I've managed to get Creon here in the East Midlands, but just lately it's been restricted to a single bottle per prescription, which is a third of what's needed. Plus the 10K supply seems to have dried up. My strategy for this has been to restrict the number of times a day that I take Creon. Instead of a snack with a 10K capsule - have two snacks with a 25K half as often. Think of it as an enforced slimming regime.

As to what I eat, I have as yet made no changes. I'm reviewing the amount of cheese I eat as I read that the less fat I eat, the less Creon I might need to take.
 
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I had a struggle earlier in the year getting Creon and actually cancelled a holiday because of it. I too have been onto my GP and prescription team who were going to perform miracles for me and get me a consultation with a gastroenterologist to give me some ideas of what to do “worst case scenario”. I’m still waiting 4 months later and haven’t even had an acknowledgment that the telephone conversation even took place, so I’m not holding my breath. My pharmacy come up trumps two months ago and got me some so I’m ticking over nicely as long as I still ration my dose and adjust my diet. The plus side is I have lost a few pounds and the bloating I consistently suffered from is much reduced. Every cloud and all that, but….that doesn’t make it ok. Guts UK did a survey a few months back about this, which I filled in. They released their results just last week. Go to gutscharity.org.uk for the results and a template for a letter for us to send to our MPs.
 
Sorry to hear you have been caught up in the Creon shortage @Busdriver60 :(

Hope you are able to access a reasonable supply without too much faff.

It does seem like this isa situation which is going to continue causing worry and upset for some time to come :(
 
Sorry to hear that there are problems with Creon availability @Busdriver60 .
I hope that all our creonistas can get what they need
 
Hi @Busdriver60,

So far I've managed to get every prescription completed successfully from the local Tesco Pharmacy. A couple have been supplied in 2 parts, but still within the monthly repeats. I also have both the 10k and 25k capsules on my prescription and that gives me some extra flexibility - if one size isn't available I immediately do a prescription request for the other size. I've received both in the same month and that has allowed me to get a modest stockpile. I take Creon in industrial quantities!

One advantage of Tesco Pharmacy is that Tesco Central Office search for meds across 2 of the main wholesale outlets. I think there are just 5 in UK.That gives them better access to meds that are in short supply. A local chemist won't necessarily have that "reach".

@eggyg, great advice about Guts UK; I will get their template and send off a letter to my MP and do my bit with this. Several months ago I had a face-to-face D consult and my regular Consultant most kindly wrote a prescription request to the Hospital Pharmacy (as a one off) which gave me a further buffer. That Hospital is in a different County, so a bit cheeky on my part. But needs must!

Also, @eggyg, about referrals to Consultants: I recently was forced to investigate how these work (very long story, for another day - unless I lose the will to live beforehand!). In Bucks, Oxford and Berks Integrated Care System (BOB ICS) [and I suspect UK wide] the referral request has to be made using the NHS IT system. This online request is quite constrained: the GP must not make a formal diagnosis, can only outline the symptoms and hint at a possible diagnosis that needs confirming. Also the GP cannot request that the patient sees a named individual, just ask for a referral to a type of clinic (eg in my case a Gastro clinic). The GP can say that the patient has been previously seen in a Gastro clinic in that Trust.

The referral goes electronically to a Hospital Triage Team. My request left my GP in Dec 23 (initiated in the name of a different GP [WHY?] and was approved in Jan 24, with a 2 step process: a generic approval and a recommendation for a referral. I speculate that the 2 steps are part of the data management by IT to progress this paperless paperwork! Then, KEY ASPECT, the IT should generate an NHS referral text or email back to both the GP and the Patient. The IT holds a record that the request has been triaged and the electronic response was sent. In my case this record exists, but neither I nor my Surgery have received that actual detail; my Surgery is a massive Medical Centre for the town so I'm not surprised they had not noticed there had been no reply last January and I had no awareness that I should expect a text or email. In hindsight it would have been useful to have known that an NHS Refrral response would be sent and advised to look out for it, including in spam emails.

My GP Secretarial team could see the existence of this NHS Referral email, but could not glean any detail; I have recently searched my emails for anything sent by NHS referral and found a couple of older referrals, but not this Gastro request in Dec 23.

So, @eggyg, if by now you have received no response, I suggest you search both your messages and emails for anything from NHS Referrals from after your request date and just verify that you haven't missed something. Then go back to your GP asking them to do that same research and establish what they might, or might not, know today.

My saga continued, but I'll spare you that backwash! I got a letter in Oct for a referral in late Nov to a different Consultant in Bucks. After days of investigation I was told that once a referral request has been made and triaged, the NHS IT deletes the medical-in -confidence details and just leaves an IT record of the process. Since then I have managed to get a copy of the GP's note covering his referral request, the precise details of the GP's referral request (what would have been a formal letter in days gone, but now an electronic message) signed by the GP I met in Dec 23, plus the completed Triage 2 step process approving my referral (but ignoring the request for urgency in the original referral request, hence 11 months delay). So I no longer believe what a Secretary told me and I can no longer trust much of what I'm told by either the Hospital in Bucks nor my Medical Centre.

I have also checked my NHS records and the GP notes from my face-to-face meeting with him in Dec are fully documented correctly, but no electronic record on my "Consultations and Events" section of my NHS records exist tracking the progress of the referral request. Not even the October letter giving me an appointment in late Nov 24. However in the last 16 months since I transferred to this Medical Centre there have been 82 Consultations and Events recorded on my NHS records; the vast majority are just one-liners effectively only telling me that someone accessed my medical records. A few record vaccinations etc and a few are from my TIA in April; one is the GP's detailed Diabetes review, plus some blood test results. But overall most are "inert" one-liners probably tracking an element of workload by the Med Cen in connection with me. But NONE recording or tracking my referral request.

I'm currently gathering my thoughts about how to best raise this with my Med Cen: lost essential data, misleading answers and general unease about their administration. They've provided me with a 3 page document about how to formally complain, but not how to initially raise a concern before making a formal complaint. Complaints can be made within 12 months after the event, so time that can be used to digest and reflect on the approach options.
 
Hi @Busdriver60,

So far I've managed to get every prescription completed successfully from the local Tesco Pharmacy. A couple have been supplied in 2 parts, but still within the monthly repeats. I also have both the 10k and 25k capsules on my prescription and that gives me some extra flexibility - if one size isn't available I immediately do a prescription request for the other size. I've received both in the same month and that has allowed me to get a modest stockpile. I take Creon in industrial quantities!

One advantage of Tesco Pharmacy is that Tesco Central Office search for meds across 2 of the main wholesale outlets. I think there are just 5 in UK.That gives them better access to meds that are in short supply. A local chemist won't necessarily have that "reach".

@eggyg, great advice about Guts UK; I will get their template and send off a letter to my MP and do my bit with this. Several months ago I had a face-to-face D consult and my regular Consultant most kindly wrote a prescription request to the Hospital Pharmacy (as a one off) which gave me a further buffer. That Hospital is in a different County, so a bit cheeky on my part. But needs must!

Also, @eggyg, about referrals to Consultants: I recently was forced to investigate how these work (very long story, for another day - unless I lose the will to live beforehand!). In Bucks, Oxford and Berks Integrated Care System (BOB ICS) [and I suspect UK wide] the referral request has to be made using the NHS IT system. This online request is quite constrained: the GP must not make a formal diagnosis, can only outline the symptoms and hint at a possible diagnosis that needs confirming. Also the GP cannot request that the patient sees a named individual, just ask for a referral to a type of clinic (eg in my case a Gastro clinic). The GP can say that the patient has been previously seen in a Gastro clinic in that Trust.

The referral goes electronically to a Hospital Triage Team. My request left my GP in Dec 23 (initiated in the name of a different GP [WHY?] and was approved in Jan 24, with a 2 step process: a generic approval and a recommendation for a referral. I speculate that the 2 steps are part of the data management by IT to progress this paperless paperwork! Then, KEY ASPECT, the IT should generate an NHS referral text or email back to both the GP and the Patient. The IT holds a record that the request has been triaged and the electronic response was sent. In my case this record exists, but neither I nor my Surgery have received that actual detail; my Surgery is a massive Medical Centre for the town so I'm not surprised they had not noticed there had been no reply last January and I had no awareness that I should expect a text or email. In hindsight it would have been useful to have known that an NHS Refrral response would be sent and advised to look out for it, including in spam emails.

My GP Secretarial team could see the existence of this NHS Referral email, but could not glean any detail; I have recently searched my emails for anything sent by NHS referral and found a couple of older referrals, but not this Gastro request in Dec 23.

So, @eggyg, if by now you have received no response, I suggest you search both your messages and emails for anything from NHS Referrals from after your request date and just verify that you haven't missed something. Then go back to your GP asking them to do that same research and establish what they might, or might not, know today.

My saga continued, but I'll spare you that backwash! I got a letter in Oct for a referral in late Nov to a different Consultant in Bucks. After days of investigation I was told that once a referral request has been made and triaged, the NHS IT deletes the medical-in -confidence details and just leaves an IT record of the process. Since then I have managed to get a copy of the GP's note covering his referral request, the precise details of the GP's referral request (what would have been a formal letter in days gone, but now an electronic message) signed by the GP I met in Dec 23, plus the completed Triage 2 step process approving my referral (but ignoring the request for urgency in the original referral request, hence 11 months delay). So I no longer believe what a Secretary told me and I can no longer trust much of what I'm told by either the Hospital in Bucks nor my Medical Centre.

I have also checked my NHS records and the GP notes from my face-to-face meeting with him in Dec are fully documented correctly, but no electronic record on my "Consultations and Events" section of my NHS records exist tracking the progress of the referral request. Not even the October letter giving me an appointment in late Nov 24. However in the last 16 months since I transferred to this Medical Centre there have been 82 Consultations and Events recorded on my NHS records; the vast majority are just one-liners effectively only telling me that someone accessed my medical records. A few record vaccinations etc and a few are from my TIA in April; one is the GP's detailed Diabetes review, plus some blood test results. But overall most are "inert" one-liners probably tracking an element of workload by the Med Cen in connection with me. But NONE recording or tracking my referral request.

I'm currently gathering my thoughts about how to best raise this with my Med Cen: lost essential data, misleading answers and general unease about their administration. They've provided me with a 3 page document about how to formally complain, but not how to initially raise a concern before making a formal complaint. Complaints can be made within 12 months after the event, so time that can be used to digest and reflect on the approach options.
That sounds exhausting. I’m not sure I have the strength to chase it up. If, and I hope it’s a big if, my Creon supplies do deplete I probably will be more fired up, at the moment I will plod on and do my bit by sending the letter to my MP. Hope you eventually get sorted.
 
That sounds exhausting. I’m not sure I have the strength to chase it up.
It has been frustrating, perhaps, rather than exhausting. I speltnout some of the steps if only to let you understand what goes on behind the scenes.
I too have been onto my GP and prescription team who were going to perform miracles for me and get me a consultation with a gastroenterologist to give me some ideas of what to do “worst case scenario”. I’m still waiting 4 months later and haven’t even had an acknowledgment that the telephone conversation even took place, so I’m not holding my breath.
Because you have been waiting 4 months, I would encourage you to check old emails and texts that you might have missed from NHS Referrals, since there should be something assuming your Surgery did actually make the referral. Also check your NHS or Patient Access records to see if from that request to your GP there is a fair record of that in your medical notes.

Then I would encourage you to at least ask your Surgery what has happened? Triage of a referral doesn't take 4 months. If the request has been triaged there will be a record of that and you should have been told something, even if its an outright rejection. Getting the actual appointment can take far too long, but that's a different issue. I think there is a large element of complacency throughout the NHS that allows "creep" in the admin and that creep is inappropriately justified as IT issues.
 
Hopefully this links to the information on the shortage on the website of the Pancreatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland.

The PDF position statement patients gives suggestions about what to do if you are short on Creon (you might need to scroll down to find it). The information about availability may be out of date now.
Hopefully it won't come to that but useful if you do run short.


The information is also on guts uk website (link below).

 
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