first day of a course for type 2s

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Yesterday was the first day of a course for diabetics I nearly had a stand up fight with the diatition (?) over, guess what, testing! Apparently no type two should test because they are not in any danger of having hypos, and that was followed by it would cost thousands. One of the other people on the course was being treated bythe triple method and was apparently in danger of having hypos, he tests, wait for it, twice a WEEK. This is the correct amount. I tried to point out that diabetics need to know which foods affect us as everyone is different, but I was told we are all the same and affected in the same way by the same foods. I also pointed out that testing would save thousands in hospital treatment of amputations and all the other horrors of untreated diabetes, no you will be relieved to know that was in the bad old days.

I got the feeling i was on my own and decided to shut up. Thank goodness I found you guys and have gained a real education
 
Wow shortcake, so sorry you had to endure such ignorant and outdated thinking! Right, we're all the same eh? Try reading this forum for a week and see how many DIFFERENT people there are who all have a different story to tell, and those who are succeeding are doing it because they understand their relationship to the food THEY eat, becaue the TEST!!! Any idea when this dietician might have completed his/her training? And who passed her/him!

What nonsense, I'm disgusted on your behalf, and on behalf of all those people with you. Some of them will blindly believe this claptrap. Right, I'm on insulin so I do two random tests a week to see if I'm hypo? Blithering gibberish!
 
It's funny you should point this out as last week i went to a DESMOND one day programme with my partner (my DN put my name down for a place and told me that i would really enjoy it and find it useful). Well i have an appointment with my DN next week and i will tell her what a complete waste of time it was. There were 2 dieticians who were clueless on any medical questions about diabetes thrown their way and did not say anything we didn't know already, i came away from it with the knowledge of not to eat too much sugar or saturated fat!! There was one other member in the group who felt just the same as we did. There was nothing said about being careful with carb intake, we were told to eat carbs and not worry about it, i could go on but i have learnt more on this site and reading other people's posts than i did last week. The only good thing i got from it was that there were 3 other diabetics there with different stories about their diabetes so it was interesting to hear how they have coped.
 
i'm sat here with a big shocked face. my goodness! i would think a strong letter to the head of the course would be a good idea (but that's just me).
 
hoo haa

After all the hoo haa with T2 diabetes management, it all boils down to this:

One needs to keep their blood sugar levels as close to normal.

Best testing procedure is to test before, and 2 hours after meals.

I once heard it put look this: "After a year of testing, you should probably understand your body and how food/ which foods affect it".

PS "Test more often when ill".
michael hutch.
 
If we are all the same then there is no difference in the sexes or race or anything and everyone is diabetic or not.

When I asked my doctor if I could go on the Xpert diabetes course, he couldn't understand why I wanted to go when he (a bog standard general practioner)had all the basic information I could possibly need.

I think we here have more information than the professionals in whose care we are supposed to be.
 
What's at stake and where's the problem?

In the end it all seems to boil down to a matter of finance as the plaintive cry goes up, 'How can it be funded?' There is little realisation that you are playing - or should it be toying? - with people's lives and those people run into hundreds of thousands. The fact that early limitation of the havoc caused by diabetes would save the NHS a small fortune is disregarded.

It seems to be that this attitude reigns because so little of the more recent research into nulifying the effects of diabetes gets through to those empowered to run the courses. If you enquire after their qualifications you get answers on the lines of 'I have a strong interest in diabetes' (but it's not strong enough to keep up to date in the subject) and 'I have received dietary training' (but not with any particular application to diabetes).

In more senses than one, diabetes is the poor relation of the NHS.
 
Hi Shortcake, Carina & Caroline,

Sorry to hear that you have all had to experience the claptrap from supposed healthcare professionals that so many other diabetics have gone through before you. Generally, all very poor advice that will ensure your diabetic condition will progress - i.e. deteriorate - because they continue to tell us that is an inevitablity.

You all sound to be fully on message to me and on the right track to avoid or slow down or quite possibly reverse progression and keeep away from the quite horrrible complications that we all know can come a diabetic's way.

If people have time to do it then please make some sort of a fuss - if only in filling in a scathing feedback on the course attended. However, I do that all the time but have never heard anything further.

Best wishes - John
 
You've hit the nail on the head in your post Jean!

One senior specialist at a diabetic meeting that I attended recently at the local hospital said "Diabetes is off the radar" - which to me is another way of stating what you say in your post:

Jean said:
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Best wishes - John
 
shortcake said:
.. Apparently no type two should test because they are not in any danger of having hypos
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Uh huh! Reeeeeeaaaallly?! Bunch of stupidheads😡. One of the things I hate in life is black & white statements. There are shades of grey in everything and thats one of them.
Just as an aside what level is actually counted as a hypo? After years of fainting in public (was tested & wasnt diabetic back then) I kinda have a grasp of the feeling I get when I am about to do it & so always catch myself & have only tested twice when I have had that feeling. Was about 1.2 once & 2.something the other time. And sorry if thats a stupid question, I am full of 'em 😉

All these people need to do is come & read some of the posts on here to see how different everyone is. Tomatos really effect me badly, especially when cooked but I have seen someone say they arent effected by them. Theres 1 difference!
 
Starbanana said:
Uh huh! Reeeeeeaaaallly?! Bunch of stupidheads😡. One of the things I hate in life is black & white statements. There are shades of grey in everything and thats one of them.
Just as an aside what level is actually counted as a hypo? After years of fainting in public (was tested & wasnt diabetic back then) I kinda have a grasp of the feeling I get when I am about to do it & so always catch myself & have only tested twice when I have had that feeling. Was about 1.2 once & 2.something the other time. And sorry if thats a stupid question, I am full of 'em 😉

All these people need to do is come & read some of the posts on here to see how different everyone is. Tomatos really effect me badly, especially when cooked but I have seen someone say they arent effected by them. Theres 1 difference!
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You're considered hypo at below 4.9, so 1.2 is a pretty severe hypo as is 2.x. Do you get any other symptoms besides feeling faint? I'd be shaking like a leaf in a gale at those levels! Have you told your doctor about this? If you're not getting symptoms till you're at that kind of level you have lost hypo awareness and it can be serious.
 
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You're considered hypo at below 4.9, so 1.2 is a pretty severe hypo as is 2.x. Do you get any other symptoms besides feeling faint? I'd be shaking like a leaf in a gale at those levels! Have you told your doctor about this? If you're not getting symptoms till you're at that kind of level you have lost hypo awareness and it can be serious.
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Um. Can I start to freak out now? No I never mentioned it cos they have never asked. Guess cos I am not sposed to be testing. I shall mention it! And yes I get other symptoms - feel really really hot, sort of happens as a wave sensation through me. Very unpleasant. Lips feel weird & I do shake a bit. Last time I went to see her I did ask if this was how I was supposed to be feeling most of the time & she told me to come to these forums as seeing how other diabetics reacted to stuff would be the best thing. Thanks for the response & apologies for sidetracking the thread :D
 
Starbanana said:
Um. Can I start to freak out now? No I never mentioned it cos they have never asked. Guess cos I am not sposed to be testing. I shall mention it! And yes I get other symptoms - feel really really hot, sort of happens as a wave sensation through me. Very unpleasant. Lips feel weird & I do shake a bit. Last time I went to see her I did ask if this was how I was supposed to be feeling most of the time & she told me to come to these forums as seeing how other diabetics reacted to stuff would be the best thing. Thanks for the response & apologies for sidetracking the thread :D
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I meant to type 4.0 not 4.9. Those are all classic hypo symptoms, you get the full range, so that's good (that you have hypo awareness). Whenever you start to get those feelings, test. If you're 4.0 or below, have something sweet like a couple of jelly babies or glucotabs. Very poor that you weren't told about this, and that your doctor didn't give you advice (although good that she advised you to come to us!). Read this page to learn all about it:

http://diabetes.niddk.nih.gov/dm/pubs/hypoglycemia/

Sorry, I've forgotten what treatment you are on - it may need adjusting.
 
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