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Finally, someone who knows what they are talking about?

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I see that the quote comes from the Chief Executive of JDRF. Let's see whet the man himself has to say.
 
mcdonagh47 said:
well since 77% of diabetes ( 72% Type 2 and 5% Type 1) is associated with obesity, Obesity should have 77% of the agenda ?
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As 90% of diabetics are type2 thats only 10% type 1, and 5% of that 10% would equal 0.5% of Obese diabetics, are type 1.Put that together with the 72% type 2 thats a total of 72.5% of diabetics are associateed with Obesity.
 
mcdonagh47 said:
well since 77% of diabetes ( 72% Type 2 and 5% Type 1) is associated with obesity, Obesity should have 77% of the agenda ?
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megga said:
As 90% of diabetics are type2 thats only 10% type 1, and 5% of that 10% would equal 0.5% of Obese diabetics, are type 1.Put that together with the 72% type 2 thats a total of 72.5% of diabetics are associateed with Obesity.
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Whatever the percentage, it's clear that the 'agenda' is 99.99% 'diabetes is caused by obesity' :(
 
Northerner said:
Whatever the percentage, it's clear that the 'agenda' is 99.99% 'diabetes is caused by obesity' :(
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Plus i just realised i got my sums wrong 😡 as i was going on 72% of All diabetics, but it would be 72% of type 2 = 90% of dibetics and that = 64.8% of all diabetes add that to the 0.5% we are now at 65.3%. But i find that hard to believe myself.
 
It's all about nuance. Both types of diabetes are essentially where the body has issues involving insulin management.

Insulin is the main hormone affecting body fat storage and metabolism. Clearly then, obesity has to be considered in the context of diabetes of either type...but in a very, very different way from how it is considered at present.

Obesity could be a symptom of T2 diabetes. We really need to get away from this belief (interesting, reiterated today by the Argentine president) that diabetes is caused by people eating too much - we need to recognise that people who are obese could be obese because of their condition, and not the other way round.

And as for obese T1s....surely that suggests issues with the treatment and diet recommended?
 
megga said:
Plus i just realised i got my sums wrong 😡 as i was going on 72% of All diabetics, but it would be 72% of type 2 = 90% of dibetics and that = 64.8% of all diabetes add that to the 0.5% we are now at 65.3%. But i find that hard to believe myself.
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80% of people with Type 2 are obese at the time of dx or have been obese in the past. T2s form 90% of the diabetic population so that 80% is 72% of the total. 5% of T1 is alleged to be associated with obesity which gives another 0.5% of the total yielding a revised figure of 72.5% of all diabetes being associated with obesity in some way.
If the diabetic agenda has a 72.5% focus on obesity it wouldn't being "disproportionate".
 
really? On a friday? this much hard maths?

😱:D
 
Dory said:
really? On a friday? this much hard maths?

😱:D
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Lol
"What you cannot measure, you cannot speak of." Lord Kelvin (loosely)

And that's a good quote for test strips😉
 
Northerner said:
Can I also point out that most obese people don't have diabetes? 🙄
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Indeed Northe. I've done a lot of research these past three years and there's a history of obesity in my mother's family, along with high blood pressure, high cholesterol and strokes, but absolutely no diabetics until me. I am obese, but my BP is fine and my cholesterol is OK. I'm also the only one in the family with Addison's and Rheumatoid Arthritis. I can trace my mother's family back to the 1740s and their medical history back to my maternal great-great grandparents. My dad's maternal family were all skinny creatures, not a diabetic to be found anywhere.

Mum (I am SO very like her in build and looks) was tested regularly through the last years of her life and there was never any sign of the big D. My maternal uncle is the same, grossly overweight but no sign of diabetes. Same goes for my brother, though he's about a foot taller than everyone else so it doesn't look so obvious on him. Still no D though.
 
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Both of my brothers are obese, one smokes, none every do exercise, same as my Dad and uncle, yet i allways have wached my weight, exercise and have a good diet AND I END UP WITH DIABETES.
 
Northerner said:
Can I also point out that most obese people don't have diabetes? 🙄
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Better not to - its dangerously complacent and seems to sanction the condition and unnecessarily questions the link between obesity and diabetes.
 
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Northerner said:
Can I also point out that most obese people don't have diabetes? 🙄
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Isn't it (loosely speaking) 90% of overweight and obese people that don't have diabetes?

So while we all recognise that 80% of any population sharing one phenotype is striking it is exasperating that this is *always* talked about as the cause in the meeja. I like this Jenny Ruhl piece on what she describes as the 'toxic myth' that T2's 'ate their way' to diabetes http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/14046739.php

Of course, that isn't to say that some people whose metabolisms aren't built to cope with the modern western diet might not avoid D if they changed their eating habits, but sadly it's unlikely to be until they have developed full-on D and do some looking around for themselves that they get wind that it is *all* carbs that need attention, not just sugar.

Out of interest, does anyone know, off hand, what proportion of T2Ds have diabetes in their family background? Is it more or less than 80%?
 
megga said:
Both of my brothers are obese, one smokes, none every do exercise, same as my Dad and uncle, yet i allways have wached my weight, exercise and have a good diet AND I END UP WITH DIABETES.
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megga, sod's law. sod's law, megga.

:(
 
I would give my right arm to be T2 ??? At least t2 have got some of it working. We shouldnt be having a go at each other BUT BEATING THE "D" 😉
 
HOBIE said:
I would give my right arm to be T2 ??? At least t2 have got some of it working. We shouldnt be having a go at each other BUT BEATING THE "D" 😉
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Agreed. To my mind generalisations made by the media have resulted in very negative attitudes across the board and these are not helpful to anyone, let alone T2s who are frequently left to struggle without adequate support and made to feel the whole thing is their own fault. I'm convinced there's a great deal more going on than simple greed and that it starts long before even the earliest signs of diabetes manifest themselves.
 
I must admit to mixed feelings about this. Whilst I agree that T2 D is not fair in its apparent random selection of victims, I did spend many years stuffing my face - despite the family history. I still don't have an operational OFF switch, so without weighing and measuring everything I'd still be expanding.
 
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