Due for release next year, a non-invasive watch that monitors blood glucose.

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They appear to be a start up in a "new business" office block. Don't hold your breath!
 
They've been trying to flog things like this for years, at least since I was diagnosed in 2008 🙄 Never heard of a reliable one yet.
 
Checking the European patent register, Afon acquired the technology last year out of bankruptcy from something called Orsus Medical, which seems to have been working on it for a while. Orsus is now defunct.

More detail: https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/n...-medical-research-firm-bought-administration/


Despite claims to be "patented", there doesn't seem to have been a patent granted yet. The patent prosecution was interrupted by the Orsus bankruptcy.

They make repeated claims like:

... recent clinical trials carried out by Afon Technology at a world leading clinical trial facility in Germany have yielded exciting results. The ability of the Afon technology device to detect changes in blood glucose compared favourably with a market leading minimally invasive blood glucose monitor.

But as far as I can see they don't include any details of the trial, which is a pretty bad look. And I don't see anything at www.clinicaltrials.gov, which you would normally expect to have a listing if there had been a genuine "clinical trial". I guess there's a faint chance it was sponsored by some entity other than Orsus or Afon ....
 
Look at the web site and see what they say about diabetes. If repeated on this forum then I suspect that many members would have quite a lot to say!
 
Checking the European patent register, Afon acquired the technology last year out of bankruptcy from something called Orsus Medical, which seems to have been working on it for a while. Orsus is now defunct.

More detail: https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/n...-medical-research-firm-bought-administration/


Despite claims to be "patented", there doesn't seem to have been a patent granted yet. The patent prosecution was interrupted by the Orsus bankruptcy.

They make repeated claims like:

... recent clinical trials carried out by Afon Technology at a world leading clinical trial facility in Germany have yielded exciting results. The ability of the Afon technology device to detect changes in blood glucose compared favourably with a market leading minimally invasive blood glucose monitor.

But as far as I can see they don't include any details of the trial, which is a pretty bad look. And I don't see anything at www.clinicaltrials.gov, which you would normally expect to have a listing if there had been a genuine "clinical trial". I guess there's a faint chance it was sponsored by some entity other than Orsus or Afon ....
Eddy,

They received an Experimental Development grant from Welsh Governemnt from the SMART inovation programme, which was partly funded by the european regional development fund.


It has a European Union Intellectual Property Office Registered Community Design No: 008213961-0001


The company is owned by 4 Doctors


The product trials are at Profil in Germany which is the world's leading contract research organisation for diabetes a picture of their device is pictured here.

 
The paper arising from the work with Profil, authored by Afon and Profil people, published last year in the first issue of a new journal from a new publisher:


Feel free to draw own conclusions ...
 
Feel free to draw own conclusions ...
Accuracy sucks. So (like the other non-invasive device that Tim Cook was seen using for a while) maybe it's of value to people with prediabetes (or the worried well). If it can be improved a lot, maybe of use for some T2. But it's not the kind of thing that looks useful for bolus calculation, say.
 
My only conclusion from this is, rather than spending ones time on a forum trying to discredit someone else's efforts for spending their time, money, effort and expertise trying to create something that could improve the lives of many diabetics, it would be better to just to be grateful.
If it works, great; if it doesn't, you can hardly criticise someone for at least trying.
 
My only conclusion from this is, rather than spending ones time on a forum trying to discredit someone else's efforts for spending their time, money, effort and expertise trying to create something that could improve the lives of many diabetics, it would be better to just to be grateful.
I'm not saying it's not worth pursuing, let alone that they shouldn't work on it. I've no idea whether it'll eventually work well. (And obviously new things tend not to work well at first.) I'm just imagining (based on the article) it'll be 5 years of development if its ever useful to me.

(And sucky accuracy could be of great value now and again. An easily portable gadget that could distinguish between drinks that are loaded with sugar or just have artificial sweeteners would be of value.)
 
I'm not saying it's not worth pursuing, let alone that they shouldn't work on it. I've no idea whether it'll eventually work well. (And obviously new things tend not to work well at first.) I'm just imagining (based on the article) it'll be 5 years of development if its ever useful to me.

(And sucky accuracy could be of great value now and again. An easily portable gadget that could distinguish between drinks that are loaded with sugar or just have artificial sweeteners would be of value.)
Hi Bruce, I was refering to Eddy's forensic effort to investigate the company and discredit the new gadget. The way I see it, just be grateful there are people out there actually getting off their backside to try and develop new products, which one day might be of benefit to us. I'm tired of hearing all the complaints, why not use that energy to write to them and give them some encouragement or back them financially or perhaps offer some time to try and help.
 
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Hi Bruce, I was refering to Eddy's forensic effort to investigate the company and discredit the new gadget. The way I see it, just be grateful there are people out there actually getting off their backside to try and develop new products, which one day might be of benefit to us. I'm tired of hearing all the complaints, why not use that energy to write to them and give them some encouragement or back them financially or perhaps offer some time to try and help.
I do tech start-ups for a living. If these guys said, "This is really early, a gadzillion miles away from a working product and no assurance it will get there, and also we have very limited funding, no fiirm data, no partnerships with validating industry/tech/research entities and no corporate history of successful product development - but we think it's a nifty approach with the following key conceptual advantages over all the other players working on NI CGM: ...." then I'd respect them more. But as it is, they're putting out hype.
 
Excellently put Eddy. I did tech development for most of my life and there is nothing here which gives any incentive into investing in time and effort into development.

I has all the hallmarks of somebody trying to raise capital. If they want to put their own money into it, then good luck to them, they will end up poor. If they are trying to get money out of the private sector then good luck to them, they will find that very tricky and will probably still end up poor.

The other place to get money is the public sector. It's by far the easiest to tap and that way they will have fun, and we will end up poor because that is taxpayer money over which we have some ownership.
 
I think it’s just a bit if cynicism born out of regular disappointment Amity.

Like Northie, I’ve seen ‘non invasive glucose monitor about to launch’ stories for years (decades actually) and have reached the point where I am unable to generate any enthusiasm until I see a working, tested, validated product, with results that compare with existing market leaders.

A successful product in this class would certainly shake up the whole industry (where sensors cost £££ for a few days of use), but how would it be priced? And would the company make enough money to continue developing and refining without the revenue stream of consumables?

I wish them every success, but I’ve seen too many of these stories to get excited... yet.
 
I think it’s not just cynicism. It can be more of a protective response eg I used to take news of a Type 1 cures very seriously, get excited - and then it all turned to *insert rude word*. So now I keep myself somewhat detached and not too invested emotionally in the idea as a protection from disappointment.
 
I think it’s not just cynicism. It can be more of a protective response eg I used to take news of a Type 1 cures very seriously, get excited - and then it all turned to *insert rude word*. So now I keep myself somewhat detached and not too invested emotionally in the idea as a protection from disappointment.
More than just cynicism for me too. I thought it was unnecessary. I dont mind a bit of cynicism, keeps people on their toes.

A comment like " I'll believe it when I see it" I'd see as cynical. But for me, it was a real effort to try and publicly discredit someone.

It was just a bit of news for the forum.
 
Yes, I’m all for people trying to ‘think outside the box’ and get their own tech up and running. I think #wearenotwaiting is a good example of people moving faster than big corporations.
 
Yes, I’m all for people trying to ‘think outside the box’ and get their own tech up and running. I think #wearenotwaiting is a good example of people moving faster than big corporations.
Thanks Inka, I'll have a look at that link.
 
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