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DiABETES UK Nutritional Guidelines

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Thanks McD - I've enjoyed reading that, and there's nothing there that jumps out and bites me to say I disagree with it - which makes a jolly nice change.

They actually acknowledge 'lower' carb may be no bad thing, although they don't actually say it's the best thing since insulin. But then neither do most of us, because what suits one doesn't suit another.

I do wish though they would tell me what a Meditteranean diet actually consists of - in Crete for instance there are a lot of spuds, oodles of olive oil, courgettes, tomatoes and pork washed down with some rather decent red wine, plus regular very very strong and sweet black coffee, quite a lot of Raki and all accompanied by a constant stream of chainsmoked Greek equivalent of Capstan Full Strength fags. Some lamb, in fact quite a bit of it on menus - yet you never see any sheep. Only goats ....... LOL Oh I forgot the yoghurt and the honey!
 
I agree. We have Greek family. The amount of sweet treats in their daily diet is high too.
I don't recommend going and eating at a Greek wedding unless someone Greek is able to tell you the carb count 😛
 
The problem is these guidelines are flawed and are also not shared with patients. Have you see what Diabetes UK puts on their website? There is still a one-size-fits-all attitude that still calls for starchy carbs to form the basis of meals and recommendations to cut fat as much as possible.

Look, I've deconstructed these guidelines before.


intervention studies have failed to show any association between the type and amount of fat in meals and post-prandial glucose response
In other words, fat has NO EFFECT on blood glucose control.


It is unclear what ideal proportion of macronutrients to recommend for optimal glycaemic control for Type 2 diabetes
...but we'll continue to tell you to base your meals around starchy carbs, despite the fact we honestly don't know if it is a good or bad thing.


Monounsaturated fat can be substituted for carbohydrate without detrimental effect to either lipids or glycaemic control
...but obviously we won't be recommending you base your food around monosaturated fats because fat is bad, right...even though we know it doesn't actually affect you negatively.


When protein is substituted for carbohydrate, short-term glycaemic control improves
....and we won't be recommending you eat more protein either because the last thing you want is your glycaemic control to improve.


A modest reduction in carbohydrate intake is associated with improvements in glycaemic control and low carbohydrate diets can be particularly effective if associated with weight loss.
...but despite this, we'll still be telling you to base your meals around starchy carbs.


Although the total amount of carbohydrate ingested is the primary
determinant of post-prandial blood glucose response, there is little evidence to support specific strategies for recommendations about carbohydrate intake in Type 2 diabetes.
...largely because it's so overwhelmingly obvious that the more you have of something that is known to majorly affect your BG, the more it'll affect your BG. I suspect there hasn't been any specific research into whether or not large amounts of rain cause flooding either.


It has been shown that the main mode of action of low carbohydrate diets is simply a reduction in energy intake due to carbohydrate restriction
So it has nothing to do with glycaemic control then, despite the fact that we already accept that the amount of carb intake is the primary determinant of post-prandial blood glucose response?


Concern has been expressed about the potential adverse effects of these diets, especially on cardiovascular risk, but there remains no evidence of harm over the short term
So in other words, there's no evidence that they're harmful, yet certainly some evidence that suggests they're beneficial? Under those circumstances, you'd expect someone to do some research or at least maintain an open mind, right?

http://www.diabetes.org.uk/Guide-to-...o-eating-well/


2. Include starchy carbohydrate foods as part of your diet

3. Cut down on the fat you eat, particularly saturated fats
Oh! How stupid of me! There was me, reading the actual evidence Diabetes UK presented, saying that reducing your carb intake and replacing it with monounsaturated fats probably helps manage diabetes better, and thinking that meant cutting down on carbs and eating more mono fats would help make diabetes management better. How stupid of me! Why on earth did I not realise what that actually meant was that cutting down on fat and basing my meals on starchy carbs was the right option.

Oh, wait, it's because I can read.

Seriously, you can literally hear whoever drafted this report internally cringing. It's ALMOST as if whoever put together this report 'knew' the right answer or conclusion they were supposed to draw and then found the evidence didn't quite stack up as neatly as they liked. And then decided to write things WITHIN THE SAME REPORT that directly contradicted each other as if that wasn't a problem.


Small, short term intervention studies investigating the relationship between macronutrients and glycaemic control have reported contradictory results
In other words, the studies we did actually showed our conventional approach was WORSE. Let's just pass that off as 'contradictory' and say they were small, rather than do something like, oh, I don't know, a full proper study that would settle the issue. And then there's all the mealy-mouthed fudging about being aware of carb intake without daring once say, "you know what? Maybe we don't need quite as much bread." There's all these constant references saying that carb reduction and fat intake change 'need more study' despite the fact there seems to have been as much research done into these as the alternatives ie. very little.

And the final bit says it all.


In terms of dietary strategies for weight loss, encouraging the individual to adopt their diet of choice may well improve outcomes. It is the degree of adherence that will predict outcomes rather than type of dietary strategy [145]. It is intuitive that a diet an individual enjoys and finds acceptable is more likely to succeed
In other words, we don't really have a clue, so you might as well take your pick and accept the consequences.
 
Perhaps we should ask Joe from DUK if he knows who is planning to update the website to incorporate these new guidelines 😉:D
 
I think that's a much more more sensible reaction than flying off the handle, really .....

Of course the problem with any report or piece of research is that most people medical or otherwise only take in the headlines and never even read the rest of it properly.

So if you said

Carbohydrates - an important food source.

and left it at that, rather than ask how much carb? when? etc - one helluva lot of people will just decide there and then that MORE = BETTER.

Too much blood testing can make you obsessive.

I wouldn't necessarily argue with that as a statement.

But I would ask - how much IS too much? and then ask for justification of the reasons given.

In any case that latter statement gets changed to .... WILL make you obsessive. But it doesn't say that .......
 
I've been reading more and more recently about the flaws in current dietary guidelines, the main problem being that not every factor is taken into account and therefore results can be inaccurate.

For anyone interested in more information, I've posted some information here that I've been collecting over the previous few years, which revolves around the subject of low carb and the problems with current dietary recommendations:

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=47980&p=432748#p432748

I'd like to enter a discussion with people on why, when we're supposedly eating all the healthy foods, more and more people are getting metabolic disorders or seeing more issues with their health.
 
Mediterranean diet!

The (Spanish) Med diet is meat, meat, meat, with a side of meat, and lots of chips! My neighbours' kids looked like they were going to cry when they all came round for Xmas dinner - vegetables! 😱Do we have to eat them, mum?
 
Michael Pollan has the answers

Read M Pollan's "In Defense of Food". He states that, in the States (not sure about UK), many food additives, E nos, etc. haven't actually been tested to see if they're safe for humans; and recently, one particular additive (can't remember name, sorry) was found to have a significant effect in the human endocrine system. Scary stuff!
 
The (Spanish) Med diet is meat, meat, meat, with a side of meat, and lots of chips! My neighbours' kids looked like they were going to cry when they all came round for Xmas dinner - vegetables! 😱Do we have to eat them, mum?

I was a marshal on Dragons Back Race in Wales in September 2012. Runners covered 220 miles in 5 daily stages. Trails were not way marked, so runners had to map read over trackless terrain and some tracks. Tents and overnight kit were transported in vehicles and tents erected by marshals. Smaller bags were available to runners at midway support point each day. Runners supplied their own race food, but morning and evening food was supplied by an excellent vegetarian mobile cafe - lots of very tasty porridge, cakes, chilli, curry rice, bread etc. There was a significant contingent from Spain, and as I was the marshal with the best Spanish ability, plus a car that could take 4 passengers, I was closely involved with them, especially when they were unable to do the whole day, so we dropped them at support point to run to overnight camp site. They brought their own jamon (ham) and salami to supplement the veggie evening meals - and very kindly gave me some delicious samples 🙂 One of them runs an online deli shop, so I know where to by good Spanish food, although postage costs mean it's better for me to buy olive oil locally.
 
They are not as dire as some people make out
The report heading says Evidence-based nutrition guidelines for the prevention and management of diabetes.

I must be different to everyone that was monitored to produce their "evidence". Sorry for repeating my introduction. I've been type II for 17 years and I decided NOT to follow dietary guidelines given by my previous GP and hospital dietitians. I cut out bread/pasta/rice/potato last July. Stopped taking Gliclazide, Januvia and Atorvastatin by November 2013. Yesterday HbA1c 6.4, Tot. Chol. 5.4
Anecdotal? Yes, but I know lots of people with similar results.

Weight management should be the primary nutritional strategy in managing
glucose control in Type 2 diabetes for people who are overweight or obese.

Can't fault that, except Rosiglitazone helped me gain 7st without me changing food intake, drinking habits or exercise. The citilapram prescribed for my anxiety about weight gain didn't help.
Regular, moderate physical activity can reduce HbA1c by 0.45 – 0.65 per cent independent of weight loss.
Obviously exercise is essential, I used to swim 1km 3-5 times a week and my BG dropped a lot more than 0.65%, shame my weight didn't at that time.
Focus should be on total energy intake rather than the source of energy in the diet (macronutrient composition) for optimal glycaemic control.
Focusing on the source, my carb intake, had the desired effect for me. Am I that different?
The total amount of carbohydrate consumed is a strong predictor of glycaemic response and monitoring total carbohydrate intake whether by use of exchanges, portions or experience-based estimation, remains a key strategy in achieving glycaemic control.
So why not go the whole hog, tell people to reduce their carb intake.
Low GI diets may reduce HbA1c up to 0.5 per cent .
By cutting carbs I was able to reduce my HbA1c by so much that I'm only taking metformin and I can still achieve an HbA1c of 6.4.

Still work in progress.
 
This is very interesting i still can't believe I've always been told starchy carbs, now that I am eating less carbs, much more protein and fat i feel better. Woke with a low of 3.5 this morning bit sweaty but ok
 
Laura

If this happens again, you will need to change something with your basal.

I can't say what because it could be doseage and it could be timing, and in any event dunno what basal you are on, when you take it or what the rest of the day's results show.

If you see that happening again soon, set an alarm clock for around 3am and see what your BG is doing then. ie Has it started to drop yet.

Do take care though and if you have a good DSN get onto her asap if it starts to be a prob.
 
Hi Trophywench

Thank you for that. I am setting my alarm for 3am this morning. I've started this past week to take novo rapid 15 mins before eating, previously i used to eat pretty much straight away but I've read it starts working in your system 15 mins before. Do you do this Trophywench?

I've cut my carbs a lot maybe my body getting used to it. When I got home from the cinema last night it was 11.45pm and i was hungry so i had 2 of those oat bix cereals with splash of milk took 3 units of novorapid then 20 units of lantus around 12.15am don't know what went wrong :(
 
Well Lantus actually peaks at around 5 hours after injecting Laura, and if that didn't happen to coincide with your BG being high enough to withstand the peak - you would go hypo.

But what time did you actually go hypo - I dunno when you woke up and found your BG to be low, or when your BG started to reduce leading up to that.

I have no idea either whether you overshot, undershot or correctly shot for the cereal either, not being a mind-reader LOL

No I've never had to inject before eating yet - but it doesn't matter does it? as nobody else in the world is me!

I mean I presume when you injected just before eating at various intervals after eating various meals you kept testing your BG and because you found your BG shot up too high before the Novorapid got there, was why you started jabbing 15 mins before? Well when you test now at various intervals after eating, has it cured that?

If you didn't do that testing, why did you change?

Anyway whatever - if it hasn't cured it, back to the drawing board!

Nobody can really say 'That's the answer and it works for everybody' cos it's a fib. It most certainly doesn't !
 
Interesting. Are the Government (or anyone else) actually legally liable for giving individuals dietary guidelines should they happen to prove incorrect for that individual? (or group of individuals)

I don't believe they would be.
 
It might be an idea to add a caveat, to this advice from DCUK to empass the advice from NICE in 2014

• Daily consumption of foods fortified with plant sterols or stanols (2-3g /d)

significantly improve total and LDL cholesterol for people with diabetes, irrespective

of statin treatment. (A


The NICE – Advice:

Do Not Do Recommendation
Do not advise any of the following to take plant stanols or sterols for the prevention of CVD: -people who are being treated for primary prevention -people who are being treated for secondary prevention -people with CKD -people with type 1 diabetes -people with type 2 diabetes
Do Not Do Recommendation Details
Recommendation:
Do not advise any of the following to take plant stanols or sterols for the prevention of CVD: -people who are being treated for primary prevention -people who are being treated for secondary prevention -people with CKD -people with type 1 diabetes -people with type 2 diabetes
Interventions:
plant stanols or sterols
Source guidance details

Guidance:
Lipid modification: cardiovascular risk assessment and the modification of blood lipids for the primary and secondary prevention of cardiovascular disease (CG181)
Published date:
July 2014
Paragraph number:
1.2.17
Page number:
16
 
What your body needs will be different for everyone, as we are different sizes, age, activity, etc.

It's best to eat to what your body needs on a daily base adjusting for activity levels, ensuring you eat a balanced heathy diet with Protein, Fat and Carbohydrates, 4-5 hours apart. 3 times a day, at the same time, so your body gets used to it. It's never good to snack between meals, so your body can rest and get ready for the next meal. I would recommend choosing foods in the Low GI range so it helps your body deal with the meal better. It also helps to go for a walk to avoid sitting down after eating, if able.

Sleep: Make sure you get a minimum of 7 hours of quality sleep, as just one night of poor sleep can impact insulin sensitivity.
Water: Ensure you are drinking enough water to keep you hydrated, as when you're dehydrated, your body produces a hormone called vasopressin.
Vasopressin causes your kidneys to retain water and also prompts your liver to produce blood sugar, which may lead to elevated blood-glucose levels.
Over time, this effect may lead to insulin resistance.

Some little tips, I found very useful to me.
 
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What your body needs will be different for everyone, as we are different sizes, age, activity, etc.

It's best to eat to what your body needs on a daily base adjusting for activity levels, ensuring you eat a balanced heathy diet with Protein, Fat and Carbohydrates, 4-5 hours apart. 3 times a day, at the same time, so your body gets used to it. It's never good to snack between meals, so your body can rest and get ready for the next meal. I would recommend choosing foods in the Low GI range so it helps your body deal with the meal better. It also helps to go for a walk to avoid sitting down after eating, if able.

Sleep: Make sure you get a minimum of 7 hours of quality sleep, as just one night of poor sleep can impact insulin sensitivity.
Water: Ensure you are drinking enough water to keep you hydrated, as when you're dehydrated, your body produces a hormone called vasopressin.
Vasopressin causes your kidneys to retain water and also prompts your liver to produce blood sugar, which may lead to elevated blood-glucose levels.
Over time, this effect may lead to insulin resistance.

Some little tips, I found very useful to me.

All good advice. All largely followable when I am not at a tournament. Then... all of your above goes completely out of the window.

I am amazed that in the cadre of regular tennis writers on the tours I seem to be the only one/first having to deal with diabetes on the road. Since my diagnosis the number of colleagues who are fascinated by my freestyle libre and scanning is quite interesting... perhaps some of them are beginning to wonder if it will affect them too.

But it doesn't detract from the fact that almost every month of the year I am away and having to deal with disruption to a healthier routine. Still... where there's a will there's a way, I am not going to stop covering tournaments, so I have to accept that my numbers will go all over the place for a week or so each time I am away, and will have to correct when I am back.
 
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