Detailed interview with Roy Taylor

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Reversing type 2 diabetes | Roy Taylor, PhD

We’ve examined the complexities of type 2 diabetes many times on The Proof, learning from experts from across the world. Today, I sit down with a scientist who has fundamentally changed our understanding of this disease: Professor Roy Taylor. As one of the most esteemed scientists researching...
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Simon Hill talking with Taylor for a couple of hours - does a pretty good job, IMO.
 
Interesting interview.

I am still wondering what is going on with my own case, whether the old beta cells are working of if I'm just keeping it in check with diet. I lost weight rapidly and hba1c returned to normal in 3 months, quite a surprise to the GP, with a low dose of Metformin and cutting out refined carbs - still ate oats and fruit. I have eaten meals with carbs in them since, and it's always back to normal levels, after a few hours, peaking around 8. (Highest has been a meal with 70g of carbs.)

I have never seen double figures, and when I was diagnosed (With hba1c of 83) my fasting levels were pretty much normal. (I did a test the day after I was diagnosed, before I went low carb.)

Stopping Metformin (Only on 500mg) doesn't seem to make a difference.
 
harbottle said:
Interesting interview.

I am still wondering what is going on with my own case, whether the old beta cells are working of if I'm just keeping it in check with diet. I lost weight rapidly and hba1c returned to normal in 3 months, quite a surprise to the GP, with a low dose of Metformin and cutting out refined carbs - still ate oats and fruit. I have eaten meals with carbs in them since, and it's always back to normal levels, after a few hours, peaking around 8. (Highest has been a meal with 70g of carbs.)

I have never seen double figures, and when I was diagnosed (With hba1c of 83) my fasting levels were pretty much normal. (I did a test the day after I was diagnosed, before I went low carb.)

Stopping Metformin (Only on 500mg) doesn't seem to make a difference.
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Weird fasting levels ....
 
Eddy Edson said:
Weird fasting levels ....
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I am starting to think that fasting glucose was not yet badly impaired, it was probably bordering pre-diabetes range, but did have Impaired Glucose post meals. I believe it's possible to be T2 with decent fasting levels, but high levels after eating. Perhaps indicating that I didn't have much issue with liver insulin resistance (Which means it's hard to deal with the background glucose) but had a problem with muscular insulin resistance.
 
harbottle said:
I am starting to think that fasting glucose was not yet badly impaired, it was probably bordering pre-diabetes range, but did have Impaired Glucose post meals. I believe it's possible to be T2 with decent fasting levels, but high levels after eating. Perhaps indicating that I didn't have much issue with liver insulin resistance (Which means it's hard to deal with the background glucose) but had a problem with muscular insulin resistance.
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Why insulin resistance rather than insulin insufficiency?
 
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I’m assuming my impaired glucose tolerance was due to insulin resistance and insulin deficiency.
 
harbottle said:
I’m assuming my impaired glucose tolerance was due to insulin resistance and insulin deficiency.
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I guess I was vaguely & probably incorrectly remembering something about IGT, in the context of normal fasting glucose, being due mainly to impaired second-phase insulin response.
 
Eddy Edson said:
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Reversing type 2 diabetes | Roy Taylor, PhD

We’ve examined the complexities of type 2 diabetes many times on The Proof, learning from experts from across the world. Today, I sit down with a scientist who has fundamentally changed our understanding of this disease: Professor Roy Taylor. As one of the most esteemed scientists researching...
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Simon Hill talking with Taylor for a couple of hours - does a pretty good job, IMO.
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When does this interview date from. Taylor has long since ceased talking about 'reversing' type 2 diabetes and jumped on the 'remission' bandwagon. He seems to have realised that he could never be taken seriously if he continued with 'reversal'. Or even journals might have refused to publish his stuff if he continued peddling the fantasy of 'reversing' Type 2 Diabetes. ADA has recently confirmed that 'there is no such thing as 'reversing diabetes'. Even Diabetes UK says we don't call it 'reversal' but remission.
So when does this stuff come from, Taylor seems to have abandoned 'reversing' Type 2 with the Lancet article in 2017.
 
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Burylancs said:
When does this interview date from. Taylor has long since ceased talking about 'reversing' type 2 diabetes and jumped on the 'remission' bandwagon. He seems to have realised that he could never be taken seriously if he continued with 'reversal'. Or even journals might have refused to publish his stuff if he continued peddling the fantasy of 'reversing' Type 2 Diabetes. ADA has recently confirmed that 'there is no such thing as 'reversing diabetes'. Even the mealy-mouthed Diabetes UK says we don't call it 'reversal' but remission.
So when does this stuff come from, Taylor seems to have abandoned 'reversing' Type 2 with the Lancet article in 2017.
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Simon Hill published it a few days ago. I assume it was a recent interview, but this type of thing should really state the interview date explicitly.
 
Diabetes UK recommends the term remission rather than reversal.
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What is diabetes remission?​


Remission means that your blood sugar levels (also known as blood glucose levels) are below the diabetes range, usually without you needing to take any diabetes medication.​
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Remission is when your HbA1c — a measure of long-term blood glucose levels — remains below 48mmol/mol or 6.5% for at least three months, without diabetes medication.
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This definition has been agreed by a team of international experts from here at Diabetes UK, the American Diabetes Association and the European Association for the Study of Diabetes.​
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Some people call this ‘reversing type 2 diabetes’, but we use the term remission because your blood sugar levels can rise again. If your regular blood tests show your HbA1c remaining below 48 mmol/mol or 6.5%, talk to your healthcare team to discuss diabetes remission and how this applies to you.​
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Type 2 diabetes remission

Type 2 diabetes remission is when your blood sugar levels return to a safe, non-diabetes level long-term, without the need for glucose-lowering medication. It stops diabetes in its tracks and boosts your chances of a healthy future. When you are in remission, you reduce the risk of diabetes...
www.diabetes.org.uk www.diabetes.org.uk
 
Seems to be too much getting 'hung up' ln the use of words. I took 'reversal' in the context of the work by Taylor to mean reversing the condition of chronic high blood sugar, especially as the research does show that regaining weight does bring hyperglycaemia back as the conditions that cause it still exist. Maybe people should read the research instead of getting angry about words.
 
Cars can reverse but they still go forwards too! It isn't a one or the other situation.... unless your gear box is knackered. 🙄
 
harbottle said:
Seems to be too much getting 'hung up' ln the use of words. I took 'reversal' in the context of the work by Taylor to mean reversing the condition of chronic high blood sugar, especially as the research does show that regaining weight does bring hyperglycaemia back as the conditions that cause it still exist. Maybe people should read the research instead of getting angry about words.
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Yea.

Anyway, I think of myself as cured & if my breezy Porsche-driving cardio agrees, so much the better.
 
As I might have opined on a couple of occasions.... assigning labels to things can be beneficial but don't forget the downsides.
 
Eddy Edson said:
Simon Hill published it a few days ago. I assume it was a recent interview, but this type of thing should really state the interview date explicitly.
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It doesn't even look like an interview. It looks like a Taylor blog from years ago with this Simon geezer splicing himself in with questions as if he sat down with Taylor recently
 
Burylancs said:
It doesn't even look like an interview. It looks like a Taylor blog from years ago with this Simon geezer splicing himself in with questions as if he sat down with Taylor recently
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So when Taylor says "Simon" perhaps he's actually referring to an imaginary friend. Good call!
 
Burylancs said:
Aah, I forgot, there's only one person in the whole world called Simon.
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I think it's more likely that it is what it seems to be: an interview between Simon Hill and Roy Taylor.

(Maybe it's an interview with one or more other Simons which he's nicked (perhaps joining them together) but that feels rather elaborate and even a bit risky. I guess nowadays it might not be "Simon"; doing a deep fake of just a name would be feasible.)
 
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