Desensitised to Covid.

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There are still an average of 200 deaths a day with Covid involved. If there was a plane crash one day with 200 deaths we would never hear the last of it. 60 people died when the Russians bombed a school, 200 covid Britons died on the same day.Which is the leading news story ? We think it's all over. In Aldi this morning there were only four of us out of forty wearing masks. And one man looked at my mask and smiled patronisingly and yet I was protecting HIM.
The equivalent of a plane crash everyday and we're innured to it
 
Burylancs said:
There are still an average of 200 deaths a day with Covid involved. If there was a plane crash one day with 200 deaths we would never hear the last of it. 60 people died when the Russians bombed a school, 200 covid Britons died on the same day.Which is the leading news story ? We think it's all over. In Aldi this morning there were only four of us out of forty wearing masks. And one man looked at my mask and smiled patronisingly and yet I was protecting HIM.
The equivalent of a plane crash everyday and we're innured to it
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Plane crashes make the headlines because they cause a sensation. Every day, on average, approximately 1760 people in the U.K. die. Deduct 200 for Covid, if you like, leaving 1500 people dying every day, of old age, heart disease, cancer, road and other accidents. etc etc. Not newsworthy, because it’s normal existence.
 
Where do you get the number of 200 deaths per day from Covid?
And is this people who died from covid with no other medical conditions or people in hospital with another problem who tested positive for covid?

I agree that we should not become complacent (I am one of the ongoing "masketeers") but we are not in the same place as we were a year ago.
 
I've read the following explanation in the news here:

When people need to get in the hospital, for whatever reason, they have to test for covid, because since it is contagious, if they are positive, they're isolated from other patients.

They are then counted in the tally of covid patients.

When they die, it is a covid death. Even if they died of something unrelated.

Perhaps it is so in your country, as well.

If it is, then the 200 people who died from covid could be people who died of other causes as well, but who were in a covid area of the hospital.

For the record: I'm not a covid denier! I'm vaccinated, also got the booster, and I wear the mask where I'm supposed to wear it. I always respected every covid rule the government imposed.
 
I always mask up to go in shops and intend to continue but I went to an arena event last week without a mask for the first time and it was quite nice to feel more normal and I refuse to feel guilty for not wearing a mask in that situation. I think shopping is different because it is an essential aspect of life and people can't pick and choose about that.
I am also coming to the conclusion that some expose to other people is important for my immune system and since I have very little exposure in my home environment.... I live alone and I am retired, I think it may be important to perhaps challenge my system a little bit now that I, and the majority of other people, are vaccinated.
 
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I am also coming to the conclusion that some expose to other people is important for my immune system and since I have very little exposure in my home environment.... I live alone and I am retired, I think it may be important to perhaps challenge my system a little bit now that I, and the majority of other people, are vaccinated.
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I think we all get enough challenge even wearing masks wherever practical without worrying too much. Even if we're wearing good (FFP2 or better) masks.

I think the way Chris Whitty (I think) advised last Christmas still makes sense: care about the activities that matter to you.

So I wear a mask on public transport and in shops (mostly, anyway). But I go out dancing socially and don't wear a mask (in a dance with the rather dangerous custom of dancing with the same partner for 3 or 4 dances in a row, and in-between we talk, so sharing airspace even if when dancing we dance close (can't catch it through the ears)), because that matters to me. As did meeting my mother, brother, etc., last week, so (mostly) I wasn't wearing a mask then (and neither was anyone else), and we went to restaurants and things.
 
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Amity Island said:
Hi @Burylancs

The thing with these covid death cases is, if one hasn't got covid then clearly covid cannot be involved. It takes more than just a sarscov2 test to diagnose a case of covid19.
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Using the "COVID-19 on the death certificate" measure, ONS suggests we're at about 1100 deaths a week and the graph doesn't look to me like it's falling (or that it was falling a couple of weeks ago since there's a delay in these): https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths
 
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How can one be a covid19 case without having a case of covid19? - as this take more than just a test to determine.
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It's true that COVID-19 and infected with SARS-CoV2 aren't the same thing, and perhaps everyone ought to be more comfortable using the two appropriately. On the other hand I'm not sure there's that much confusion, really.

And as it happens the two measures (deaths within 28 days and deaths with it on the certificate) have been very similar. I'd expected the two to diverge more, but maybe (by coincidence) there are about enough people dying after 28 days of a positive test to match those that die with a recent incidental infection?
 
Burylancs said:
We think it's all over.
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I'd like to see much more emphasis on long covid. I guess the problem is that there's no single definition so there's not really good numbers on it. It feels like it might be the biggest problem from the pandemic in 5 or 10 years. (Or perhaps not, but there's enough anecdotes that a whole lot of people have what seem to be permanent disabilities with little hope of effective treatment.)

Having said that, ~1000 deaths a week is surely not what we want from a new endemic infection. (Though it does match the not-denied story from months ago that the PM was OK with about 50000 deaths a year, long term.)
 
The problem here is the way death certificates are written. I know, I’ve written at least a hundred death certificates in hospital and general practice.

There are two parts. Number I is the actual cause of death, the Number 2 is for any condition present which may have any influence over cause 1.

So, if an alcoholic died of a heart attack, the primary cause of death was Myocardial Infarction, the secondary part of the certificate would be Chronic Alcoholism. That, actually, is how annual death rates for alcohol are collated.

This will be happening with Covid deaths. Many death certificates will have Covid infection as a secondary cause, but that will be reported as a Covid death because any certificate mentioning Covid will be recorded as such in national statistics. In my opinion this is distorting the effect the milder Omicron variant. Lots of folk may be harbouring this condition which normally wouldn’t kill them, but died from such as an aortic aneurysm, which has nothing to do with Covid, but would appear as a Covid death in the statistics because doctors have to record it in the secondary part of the certificate, even if had not been the reason for admission to hospital.
 
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mikeyB said:
The problem here is the way death certificates are written. I know, I’ve written at least a hundred death certificates in hospital and general practice.

There are two parts. Number I is the actual cause of death, the Number 2 is for any condition present which may have any influence over cause 1.

So, if an alcoholic died of a heart attack, the primary cause of death was Myocardial Infarction, the secondary part of the certificate would be Chronic Alcoholism. That, actually, is how annual death rates for alcohol are collated.

This will be happening with Covid deaths. Many death certificates will have Covid infection as a secondary cause, but that will be reported as a Covid death because any certificate mentioning Covid will be recorded as such in national statistics. In my opinion this is distorting the effect the milder Omicron variant. Lots of folk may be harbouring this condition which normally wouldn’t kill them, but died from such as an aortic aneurysm, which has nothing to do with Covid, but would appear as a Covid death in the statistics because doctors have to record it in the secondary part of the certificate, even if had not been the reason for admission to hospital.
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So does that mean we are all going to have Diabetes on our Death Certificates as a secondary cause ?
 
trophywench said:
I don't think I'll care one way or the other somehow.....
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I agree.
I've had all my jabs for covid, if someone invents a type 2 jab I'll take that too.
Then again, I want to see what kills me, not die in my sleep
 
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