Depression causes diabetes

[Nayshiftin]

In the mail there is an article claiming Depression causes type 2 diabetes. Not the other way around as thought. So just another box to tick.
To be honest like arthritis if you get it you get it .
Just wish it would all go away.
However I know it will not but the hunger even on low carb when it hits it hits.
I try to stick to low carb but cannot do low carb and low cal.
Was hungry last night and gave in and ate breakfast muffin for supper. 6. 7 this morning .
I don't think I’ll ever conquer this.
Whether thats depressed me talking.
off on Tuesday to Wales so hoping a few days by the sea will boost me up a bit.
Reading things like Depression causes diabetes no one wwnts either.

 

[rebrascora]

We have all said there is no need for you to be hungry on low carb and I am pretty sure most of us advised against doing both low carb and low calorie because a) it is too difficult unless you are really committed and it is short term
b) low calorie can stall weight loss in some people unless you are able to be quite active.

6.7 is a good waking reading so you should be happy with that. I woke up on 8.3 this morning and was 9.3 three mornings in a row earlier in the week. Diabetes isn't easy, so cut yourself some slack. Yes some people get really good consistent results, but others don't no matter how hard they try. We are all different. You have to look at your own journey from mid teens a couple of months ago to your 6.7 this morning, to appreciate how good it is.

Our gut has a direct link to our brain via the Vagus nerve and what we put into our digestive system is therefore able to affect our mental health but can also impact our weight and there is a link between weight gain and diabetes. I don't believe everything I read particularly in the news or online but there is a correlation between diabetes and mental health. Stress and anxiety certainly can increase BG levels, but does the stress cause the diabetes and is the stress partly caused by a gut imbalance and hence, the food we eat. None of it is certain, but making better food choices and getting more exercise has the potential to improve things and I know from my own experience that this is the case.

Hope you have an enjoyable trip.

 

[everydayupsanddowns]

off on Tuesday to Wales so hoping a few days by the sea will boost me up a bit.

Hope you enjoy your seaside break.

An association between diabetes and depression is well known, and I guess some of the features of established depression (low mood, low motivation, low self-worth, reduced interest in things, reduced ability for self care) could well make it much more difficult to find the energy to make positive choices.

Depression can be a real swine. It’s good that it is being taken increasingly seriously as a public health matter, and there are a variety of other treatments and options available to support any meds that are felt appropriate.

Things like talking therapies, mindfulness, CBT, and social prescribing can all work really well for different people.

Hopefully the days of ‘just take these tablets and go away’ are numbered

 

[Amity Island]

In the mail there is an article claiming Depression causes type 2 diabetes. Not the other way around as thought. So just another box to tick.
To be honest like arthritis if you get it you get it .
Just wish it would all go away.
However I know it will not but the hunger even on low carb when it hits it hits.
I try to stick to low carb but cannot do low carb and low cal.
Was hungry last night and gave in and ate breakfast muffin for supper. 6. 7 this morning .
I don't think I’ll ever conquer this.
Whether thats depressed me talking.
off on Tuesday to Wales so hoping a few days by the sea will boost me up a bit.
Reading things like Depression causes diabetes no one wwnts either.

Hi,

There's something about the sea isn't there. It takes your soul somewhere else, like there's a magic connection. Just taking in that fresh air, waves breaking, seagulls skawking, nothing better.

The thing with depressive thinking is, it constantly draws your mind (subconsciously most of the time) away from what's happening now. Your mind focuses heavily on the past, on things in the future that you don't want to happen. The key is to overcome that, become aware of this negative thinking about things that aren't actually happening. Almost telling yourself stop it, get back to the present moment, what's actually happening this moment.

Once one can start chipping away and making some inroads to the depressive thinking, the depression can begin to lift. Once it begins to lift, this creates a better position, which in turn creates better thinking.

 

[Nayshiftin]

Hi,

There's something about the sea isn't there. It takes your soul somewhere else, like there's a magic connection. Just taking in that fresh air, waves breaking, seagulls skawking, nothing better.

The thing with depressive thinking is, it constantly draws your mind (subconsciously most of the time) away from what's happening now. Your mind focuses heavily on the past, on things in the future that you don't want to happen. The key is to overcome that, become aware of this negative thinking about things that aren't actually happening. Almost telling yourself stop it, get back to the present moment, what's actually happening this moment.

Once one can start chipping away and making some inroads to the depressive thinking, the depression can begin to lift. Once it begins to lift, this creates a better position, which in turn creates better thinking.

agreed its a vicious cycle.

 

[Amity Island]

agreed its a vicious cycle.

It is. You have to make a very intentional, deliberate and focused effort to break the cycle. Its changing over the balance from negative thoughts to either less thinking or more positive thoughts. It's the thinking that's the issue.

 

[mikeyB]

Since this discussion arises from an article in the Mail, then I can ignore it, along with all the other content of the Mail.

 

[Nayshiftin]

Since this discussion arises from an article in the Mail, then I can ignore it, along with all the other content of the Mail.

your choice.

 

[Drummer]

@Nayshiftin I feel that eating so few calories that you are hungry is an almost sure way to sabotage yourself.
When I was first diagnosed I just concentrated on getting my blood glucose into normal numbers and I was really shocked to realise just how much weight I had lost without even thinking about it, doing nothing but keep my carbs below 50 gm a day and checking that what I ate did not spike my blood at the 2 hour point.
I have just opened up my clothes chest as the season is beginning to change down here on the south coast. I brought out the winter weight duvet and checked some of my clothes - yet again I need to make changes for a smaller waist, but I do not restrict what I eat other than to limit the carbs, below 40 gm these days.
Before diagnosis I could put on weight so very easily - on what seemed like impossibly small amounts of low fat high carb foods which kept me starving and craving more of anything all the time some days.
Once I went back to what I knew always worked - basically the Atkins diet, my natural metabolism and shape began to reassert itself. I used to have a 24inch waist as a young adult. I doubt I will return to that, but these days I am ) ( rather than ( ) which is quite a relief.

 

[Nayshiftin]

@Nayshiftin I feel that eating so few calories that you are hungry is an almost sure way to sabotage yourself.
When I was first diagnosed I just concentrated on getting my blood glucose into normal numbers and I was really shocked to realise just how much weight I had lost without even thinking about it, doing nothing but keep my carbs below 50 gm a day and checking that what I ate did not spike my blood at the 2 hour point.
I have just opened up my clothes chest as the season is beginning to change down here on the south coast. I brought out the winter weight duvet and checked some of my clothes - yet again I need to make changes for a smaller waist, but I do not restrict what I eat other than to limit the carbs, below 40 gm these days.
Before diagnosis I could put on weight so very easily - on what seemed like impossibly small amounts of low fat high carb foods which kept me starving and craving more of anything all the time some days.
Once I went back to what I knew always worked - basically the Atkins diet, my natural metabolism and shape began to reassert itself. I used to have a 24inch waist as a young adult. I doubt I will return to that, but these days I am ) ( rather than ( ) which is quite a relief.

Good on you and glad you have found something that works for you. My blood sugars spike at the thought of food and it is difficult to keep them low. I am eating and keeping carbs low but still I get 7.5 in the morning and then 5.5 before lunch. it might be lower in the night then when I get up for the day its usually below 8 now but never below the 6 mark . I did when I started at first it crashed down but since the medication its very difficult and I cannot get it lower. I eat what i need to eat would eat more but even though not a vegetarian putting meat in my mouth is a source rather than an enjoyment.
I am getting better at walking today I managed more than I have done so I was pleased about that.
Only one more week and they do my bloods and a few days after I'll get my result. I am trying to keep calm and not get to anxious about them not being the results I want. Weight went up a pound this week. but over all I have lost a bit. tons to go though.

 

[Leadinglights]

Good on you and glad you have found something that works for you. My blood sugars spike at the thought of food and it is difficult to keep them low. I am eating and keeping carbs low but still I get 7.5 in the morning and then 5.5 before lunch. it might be lower in the night then when I get up for the day its usually below 8 now but never below the 6 mark . I did when I started at first it crashed down but since the medication its very difficult and I cannot get it lower. I eat what i need to eat would eat more but even though not a vegetarian putting meat in my mouth is a source rather than an enjoyment.
I am getting better at walking today I managed more than I have done so I was pleased about that.
Only one more week and they do my bloods and a few days after I'll get my result. I am trying to keep calm and not get to anxious about them not being the results I want. Weight went up a pound this week. but over all I have lost a bit. tons to go though.

I don't think you should be disappointed by those levels, morning readings are often the last to come down and for some people never do but their other readings are within the range that is suggested as being the norm for Type 2 i.e. 4-7 mmol/l before meals and no more than 8-8.5mmol/l 2 hours post meal and you seem to be within those guidelines.

 

[Nayshiftin]

I'm sorry to hear you're going through a tough time. It's true that health issues can often feel like a never-ending battle, and depression's link to other conditions can be challenging. Your trip to Wales sounds like a great idea – some time by the sea can be incredibly refreshing and uplifting.Remember, it's okay to have moments of struggle, but it doesn't define your entire journey. And if you ever feel overwhelmed, you can reach out to support networks like the bipolar hotline for a listening ear. You're not alone in this, and there's hope for better days ahead.

Many Thanks , yes the trip to the sea helped. I do feel I an going through something but coping. Unsure of bipolar though. Just plod on
My HbA1c has come down a lot so it bringing that into line even more
Its morning so Ill say no more as maybe later feel human again.