COVID19 Something they're not telling us

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Amity Island

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Please correct me if I am wrong or misunderstanding the issue, but, all the guidance being given out about self isolation, social distancing, avoiding people, places, work, travel, old people, the list goes on.....fails to mention a critical piece of information. That is, all this advice only applies if you haven't already had the coronavirus?

Why would you distance yourself, isolate, avoid travel, avoid busy places if you have already had the virus?

Everyone is most welcome to give their view on this?
 
I don’t think at the moment, that any scientist has come up with the definite news that having it confers immunity on you, so I don’t think any government dare say, it’s Ok once you’ve had it.
 
Robin said:
I don’t think at the moment, that any scientist has come up with the definite news that having it confers immunity on you, so I don’t think any government dare say, it’s Ok once you’ve had it.
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I'm pretty sure that's the case. I follow a bunch of virlogists on Twitter, and so far the only human study they've waved around is a single case study showing immunity to reinfection extending to at least 7 days post recovery. Encouraging, but you need more than that.
 
Damn it! If what I had was the virus I certainly do not want it again! It was horrendous. :(
 
Amity Island said:
Please correct me if I am wrong or misunderstanding the issue, but, all the guidance being given out about self isolation, social distancing, avoiding people, places, work, travel, old people, the list goes on.....fails to mention a critical piece of information. That is, all this advice only applies if you haven't already had the coronavirus?

Why would you distance yourself, isolate, avoid travel, avoid busy places if you have already had the virus?

Everyone is most welcome to give their view on this?
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Robin said:
I don’t think at the moment, that any scientist has come up with the definite news that having it confers immunity on you, so I don’t think any government dare say, it’s Ok once you’ve had it.
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That was my understanding too.
 
That is, all this advice only applies if you haven't already had the coronavirus?

In addition to the replies above about immunity being unproven/shortlived, as we’re not testing everyone, some people might wrongly assume they had had COVID 19 when they’d had a different virus.

Everyone should abide by the guidance for safety whether they think they might have had it or not.
 
Inka said:
That is, all this advice only applies if you haven't already had the coronavirus?

In addition to the replies above about immunity being unproven/shortlived, as we’re not testing everyone, some people might wrongly assume they had had COVID 19 when they’d had a different virus.

Everyone should abide by the guidance for safety whether they think they might have had it or not.
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I agree and that is why the availability of testing is so important. Either to show if you have or have had it.
 
Inka said:
That is, all this advice only applies if you haven't already had the coronavirus?

In addition to the replies above about immunity being unproven/shortlived, as we’re not testing everyone, some people might wrongly assume they had had COVID 19 when they’d had a different virus.

Everyone should abide by the guidance for safety whether they think they might have had it or not.
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And the problem is, without testing, just about everyone is an assumed case. Which isn't helpful to anyone.
 
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Inka said:
That is, all this advice only applies if you haven't already had the coronavirus?

In addition to the replies above about immunity being unproven/shortlived, as we’re not testing everyone, some people might wrongly assume they had had COVID 19 when they’d had a different virus.

Everyone should abide by the guidance for safety whether they think they might have had it or not.
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Inka,
But my original statement
"That is, all this advice only applies if you haven't already had the coronavirus?"
Is still correct if you know for certain (by test) that you have had it. Unless of course, you don't get immunity from it.
 
I’m not sure if the government have said that @Amity Island - that people who’ve tested positive for Covid 19 and have recovered don’t have to follow the advice. My guess is until long-term immunity is proven, they won’t give that advice, if at all.

Better safe than sorry.
 
Inka said:
I’m not sure if the government have said that @Amity Island - that people who’ve tested positive for Covid 19 and have recovered don’t have to follow the advice. My guess is until long-term immunity is proven, they won’t give that advice, if at all.

Better safe than sorry.
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Hi Inka,
That was my point really, why the government are not telling us this vital bit of inofmration? We will have to wait and see what develops.
 
Hi again @Amity Island 🙂 I think we’re talking at cross purposes, which might be my fault for being less than clear (I’ve got sinusitis and what feels like a head full of cotton wool).

The government aren’t telling us this because it’s not true. The advice currently applies to everyone. There is no exemption for people who’ve already had Covid 19. That is deliberate.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...protecting-older-people-and-vulnerable-adults

I quote: “This guidance is for everyone”. Just that - full stop. They haven’t missed anything out. There is no proven immunity at the moment, and furthermore we cannot take the risk of people assuming the rules don’t apply to them. Everyone has to follow the guidance - whether they’ve tested positive, negative, think they might have had it, etc etc. Everyone.
 
Inka said:
Hi again @Amity Island 🙂 I think we’re talking at cross purposes, which might be my fault for being less than clear (I’ve got sinusitis and what feels like a head full of cotton wool).

The government aren’t telling us this because it’s not true. The advice currently applies to everyone. There is no exemption for people who’ve already had Covid 19. That is deliberate.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...protecting-older-people-and-vulnerable-adults

I quote: “This guidance is for everyone”. Just that - full stop. They haven’t missed anything out. There is no proven immunity at the moment, and furthermore we cannot take the risk of people assuming the rules don’t apply to them. Everyone has to follow the guidance - whether they’ve tested positive, negative, think they might have had it, etc etc. Everyone.
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I understand. t.b.h. It's difficult trying to make sense of everything at the moment, things are moving at such a fast pace.
 
Hi @Amity Island - I heard it said - they dont know as yet, if those who have had it, can be re-infected. So i guess its precautionary.
 
The last I heard the government’s scientific advisors were pretty convinced that immunity was conferred once you’ve had it.
 
I don't think from what I have heard the scientists they have the scientific proof. This virus also appears to behaving differently to previous ones.
 
The other reason you might not go out after having the virus, is that you could still be spreading it I guess? I mean ok, you might have personally recovered, but you could still be infectious for a while and going out randomly spreading is a bad idea.
 
everydayupsanddowns said:
The last I heard the government’s scientific advisors were pretty convinced that immunity was conferred once you’ve had it.
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Government advisors are the optimists who advised going for 'herd immunity' based on infection rates and hospitalisations based upon viral Pneumonia! It was when they thought to plug in actual figures from China, Korea and Italy that they found this would lead to NHS 10x over capacity at the peak and to approx only 250,000 deaths. Actually that's an under-estimate in my view sine it didn't count indirect deaths from things which are non-fatal when NHS is working normally!

Why should Cvid-19 impart immunity on those who have had it when closely related viruses - seasonal Flu and MERS don't do that! Worse still there is the possiblilty that the virus 'hides' so those 'recovered' are still infected as in Malaria and HIV.
 
ianf0ster said:
Government advisors are the optimists who advised going for 'herd immunity' based on infection rates and hospitalisations based upon viral Pneumonia!
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Do we know that? It seems more plausible that the advisors were warning of significant risks and our elected leaders downplayed them; this is the Prime Minister who said he didn't want to listen to doomsters and gloomsters after all. Or (just as likely) there were advisors suggesting a variety of outcomes. Hard to say since the evidence behind that policy hasn't been released.

(And we do get (partial) immunity with seasonal 'flu (and we get an immune response to MERS which presumably provides at least some protection). The problem with flu is that it changes quickly. I'm not sure about colds caused by coronavirus but I presume we get an immune response from those too which presumably we retain for a while. HIV's a bit special.)
 
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