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Confused about food

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Hayley Lloyd

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I have been overweight most of my life so have always had it battered into me that I can't eat saturated fats or full fat anything really.

I am seeing that lots of people eat things like full fat yoghurts, cream, dark chocolate etc things I have never been able to eat but seem to be okay for diabetics.

Needless to say I am now super confused. How can a diabetic loose weight? I can't now eat fat, I can't have too much sugar, now that I'm diabetic I can't eat too many carbs, the only thing that kept me from being hungry all the time. All the diet information tends to contradict itself and my dietitian doesn't make anything clearer.

Anyone have any advice?
 
Most low fat manufactured foods have sugar added to them to make them more palatable. Some of the the original research done on reducing fat is being questioned as wether it has been wrong. Some people focus more on healthy fat.
Carbhydrates are what alot of Diabetes restricted.
Why don't you start by slowly reducing your Carbohydrate, and see how you get on. Some breads such as Burgen Soy and linseed is lower in Carbhydrate than standard bread. Reduce the amount of potatoes , pasta and rice.
 
I have lost nearly 4 stone in the past year since doing a LCHF diet. The thing is to stick to proper wholesome food & keep away from processed stuff. Use butter instead of these low fat spreads, full fat milk instead of skimmed. Enjoy a fry up for breakfast, but avoid the hash browns & toast (unless it's something like Burgen). Most people on this diet also find their cholesterol levels drop. Mine is still a little high, but the breakdown (HDL, LDL, Trygs) are ok.
 
Fat and carbs are sort of interchangeable in your body, so carbs get turned to fat and fat to sugar all the time. The difference is that fat doesn't raise your blood sugar and carbs have the effect of making you more hungry sooner, so it's actually better to eat more fat and less carbs. Obviously weight for weight you need to eat less of the fat, because it gives you 9kcal per gram instead of 4kcal per gram of carbs.

Try a week of not eating any bread, sugar, pasta, rice, cereals, cake, biscuits, sweets and (well the odd cracker with cheese is fine). Eat vegetables with butter (NOT margarine) to make them taste nicer, eat as much cheese as you like, eat salads with full fat mayonnaise or other sauce. for breakfast, eggs and bacon, maybe full fat Greek yoghurt with some nuts and a bit of honey. Eat fruit if it grows outside in the UK, as it'll be low in sugar.

Don't eat anything low-fat. You'll lose weight and your blood sugar will have been lower during that time. It's a hard belief to overcome, that fat is bad for you, there's so much information out there telling you it is - and it's simple isn't it - eating fat makes you fat makes sense.

However, almost nothing about nutrition is straightforward, scientific evidence is hard to get right in the field, because you can't treat people like lab rats measuring their food intake and exercise down to the calorie (for long periods anyway), and everyone is built slightly differently. Plus, there is so much fake information out there - from food companies trying to sell you stuff, from purveyors of fad diet books and supplements to big food corporations claiming their food is healthy.

One of the big studies on diet and heart disease was based on ideas in the 60s where they looked at various heart disease data from different countries and their national diets and from that they concluded that those eating the highest amounts of fat had more heart attacks, however, they only did this by ignoring data from several countries which didn't fit that pattern - such as France, Germany and Japan.

Also, at the time tobacco was a big cause of heart attacks, and that was becoming apparent, so the government, with no doubt some prompting from the tobacco lobbyists and the massive sugar and cereal manufacturers were happy to have a scapegoat.

Research now shows that fats aren't per se bad - some are, especially trans-fats, which you find a lot in low-cal products, margarine etc. There's overwhelming evidence they're bad, and are already banned in some countries. Other vegetable oils are bad too, depending how they're made, but probably the fats you think of as the worst - lard and butter aren't bad at all. Olive oil is great for everything and coconut oil too.

There's lots of good information out there - LCHF is not a diet book or a product, it's the result of looking at the most up to date evidence on nutrition, especially for diabetics, and there are a set of principles and guidelines but they're not too complicated once you've got the idea.
 
however, they only did this by ignoring data from several countries which didn't fit that pattern - such as France, Germany and Japan.

Yep - started off as a 23 Nations study, but when they published it showing only the countries results which agreed with them - it was down to 7 Nations! I'd say that 16 nations - 70% of the total number studied - constitutes a bit more than 'several' Chris!

I was pretty gobsmacked when I actually started looking this up properly in reliable places, about 10 years ago but it is true. I didn't believe in conspiracies of this type either - Don't be silly - how on earth could the Government of America be convinced by something so BLATANTLY untrue? Well children - they weren't convinced by it at all, actually.

What happened was, there was a War. This meant that it was very difficult for the rest of the World to import the huge amounts of grain that the US of A produced annually since they'd had to start producing their own - hence - bread was rationed here along with almost everything else - long after the War was over. Oh dear. Clearly, said the US Govt, we must do something to persuade more of our own population, to eat more grain, especially wheat!

So - that's exactly what they did. A proper scientific survey. Issued to the public with all the inconvenient truths that don't happen to suit our purpose, removed from it. Job done.
 
For my weight loss (and everyone is different) portion size and excercise were just as important as fats in the foods.
I found it easier to give up chocolate rather than having one cube but I do now occassionally grate a little on to a 'treat'.
Most importantly (for me) was cutting bread and potato from my diet completly (a few chips as an occasional treat). Easy for me to do as I'm not a great fan of them. For someone who has been 'filling up' on bread and mash for years (doesn't contain much fat or sugar so I can eat as much as I want - correct Dr?) - this must be a very hard thing to do.
The scariest part of my diagnosis was the portion plate.
 
Hee hee. Portion size is correct. Beg borrow or steal and empty 20-fag packet. That's about the right size of the protein portion of your main meal - with the other elements downsized accordingly, although you can fill up the spaces on your 10" dinner plate (you don't need any larger) with green leafy veg if you want to!
 
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