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[Purls of Wisdom]

Thanks Lucyr.

 

[Purls of Wisdom]

The problem may be you are having two high carb foods in one meal, rice and kidney beans and without being able to adjust your insulin accordingly.
Are you vegetarian? if not then some meat or fish, or eggs or halloumi go well with curried foods. Any green veg, broccoli, green beans, mangetout, spinach, or coleslaw.

Please consider me completely naive, I understand that carbs make the BG levels spike. So, a DM individual should try not to eat wheat, bread, rice or pasta. The wholemeal options are equally bad. Can someone on this forum, please explain what exactly do they eat and suggest me what to eat as a vegetarian? Just salad and veg? Limited amount of fruit? Water? It is possible to survive for a couple of meal times, but for the rest of the life? I shudder to think.

One theory goes like this that little or no carbs and the other hand, one will be able to eat everything, within limit of course, once insulin dosage is corrected. I really do not understand what to believe or who? Feeling at loss and physically sick, not knowing what to eat guiltfree.

I must appear as a most annoying person who simply fail to understand the basics of Diabetes and follow instructions.
I do not know what I would ve done without your continuous support. Thanks.

P. S. Anyone from India and vegetarian? Please reach out.

 

[rayray119]

I must appear as a most annoying person who simply fail to understand the basics of Diabetes and follow instructions.
I do not know what I would ve done without your continuous support. Thanks.

no-one fully understands diabetes due to the fact it just likes to misbehalf sometimes. don't be too hard on yourself you were only diagnosed a few weeks back right?. I'm about 8 and half months in(which is still considered fairly newly diagnosed i believe) and even though i taught myself a lot in that and have lernt from others here and other support networks. I still make mistakes)

 

[Purls of Wisdom]

no-one fully understands diabetes due to the fact it just likes to misbehalf sometimes. don't be too hard on yourself you were only diagnosed a few weeks back right?. I'm about 8 and half months in(which is still considered fairly newly diagnosed i believe) and even though i taught myself a lot in that and have lernt from others here and other support networks. I still make mistakes)

Thanks for your words of encouragement. Much needed today and always.

 

[Inka]

@Purls of Wisdom You missed out the last bit of the sentence, which is extremely important: “….without being able to adjust your insulin accordingly”.

That’s why you have to watch your carbs now. On fixed doses of insulin, the amount of mealtime insulin will only cover a certain amount of carbs, so you have to fit your food (carbs) to your insulin. Once you can adjust your mealtime insulin, you’ll be able to fit your insulin to your food, which gives more freedom with meal choices.

 

[Leadinglights]

Please consider me completely naive, I understand that carbs make the BG levels spike. So, a DM individual should try not to eat wheat, bread, rice or pasta. The wholemeal options are equally bad. Can someone on this forum, please explain what exactly do they eat and suggest me what to eat as a vegetarian? Just salad and veg? Limited amount of fruit? Water? It is possible to survive for a couple of meal times, but for the rest of the life? I shudder to think.

One theory goes like this that little or no carbs and the other hand, one will be able to eat everything, within limit of course, once insulin dosage is corrected. I really do not understand what to believe or who? Feeling at loss and physically sick, not knowing what to eat guiltfree.

I must appear as a most annoying person who simply fail to understand the basics of Diabetes and follow instructions.
I do not know what I would ve done without your continuous support. Thanks.

P. S. Anyone from India and vegetarian? Please reach out.

There are quite a lot of substitutions you can make, cauliflower, butternut squash and chick pea is one of my favourite combination for a curry, you could use paneer, mushrooms, courgette, green beans, aubergine. Somebody suggested using an omelette instead of naan or chapati.
You can get plenty of flavour from herbs and spices and avoid too many prepared sauces.
I agree it is just a bit harder if you don't eat meat or fish but still plenty of things you can have. Search for low carb or keto veggie recipes and there are loads on the internet.

 

[Purls of Wisdom]

@Purls of Wisdom You missed out the last bit of the sentence, which is extremely important: “….without being able to adjust your insulin accordingly”.

That’s why you have to watch your carbs now. On fixed doses of insulin, the amount of mealtime insulin will only cover a certain amount of carbs, so you have to fit your food (carbs) to your insulin. Once you can adjust your mealtime insulin, you’ll be able to fit your insulin to your food, which gives more freedom with meal choices.

Your views on low carb diet or bare minimum carbs diet?

 

[Leadinglights]

Your views on low carb diet or bare minimum carbs diet?

Unless you are able to adjust your insulin I would think it quite dangerous to be having bare minimum carbs as you should be having the amount per meal that your DSN advised for your fixed insulin dose.
Once you are adjusting insulin then some people find eating normally is easier to manage their blood glucose that if they go low carb as they then would have to take account of proteins.
Hopefully you will have opinions from those taking insulin.

 

[Inka]

Your views on low carb diet or bare minimum carbs diet?

You’re on fixed doses of insulin: you need to eat enough carbs for that insulin. If you don’t, you run the risk of a nasty hypo.

Once you’re adjusting your mealtime insulin, you can choose a diet that suits you as an individual.

 

[Purls of Wisdom]

Unless you are able to adjust your insulin I would think it quite dangerous to be having bare minimum carbs as you should be having the amount per meal that your DSN advised for your fixed insulin dose.
Once you are adjusting insulin then some people find eating normally is easier to manage their blood glucose that if they go low carb as they then would have to take account of proteins.
Hopefully you will have opinions from those taking insulin.

No such amount has been ever mentioned or the ratio. Either things are moving extremely slowly or my mind is on an override.

 

[Leadinglights]

No such amount has been ever mentioned or the ratio. Either things are moving extremely slowly or my mind is on an override.

I think you should ask what amount of carbs you should be aiming at per meal for your insulin dose otherwise you risk not having enough or having too many for that particular dose of insulin.
Also ask about carb counting and adjusting your dose according to what you are having. Has anyone mentioned the on-line BERTIE course for carb counting or DAFNE or your local equivalents.

 

[trophywench]

I don't think anyone has mentioned them for the simple fact that not even a fully proven T1 gets DAFNE or equivalent instantly - used to be offered after 6 months ish pre pandemic but Heaven knows 'when' now.

 

[Purls of Wisdom]

I don't think anyone has mentioned them for the simple fact that not even a fully proven T1 gets DAFNE or equivalent instantly - used to be offered after 6 months ish pre pandemic but Heaven knows 'when' now.

Completely agree.

 

[helli]

I don't think anyone has mentioned them for the simple fact that not even a fully proven T1 gets DAFNE or equivalent instantly - used to be offered after 6 months ish pre pandemic but Heaven knows 'when' now.

6 months after diagnosis for some CCGs. It was 12 years after diagnosis for me.
I was given an insulin to carb ratio by a locum endocrinologist I met once about a year after diagnosis. As an engineer, I am comfortable analysing numbers so tweaked my dose accordingly.

 

[Jacen017]

I've got my DAFNE equivalent course next week so it's about 6 months here.🙂

 

[rayray119]

I had to be asked to referred here still no letter.

 

[trophywench]

Well of course 50 years ago there was no such thing - hence I'd been diagnosed about 30 years when I got mine! Everything comes to she who waits ....... ! 🙂