Cases of Covid Delta variant in UK rise over 75,000 – PHE data

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The total number of cases of the Covid Delta variant in the UK has risen to 75,953 to date, data has revealed, with the variant now accounting for 99% of Covid cases.

Also known as B.1.617.2, the Delta variant, combined with relaxations in coronavirus restrictions, is believed to be behind a sharp rise in Covid cases in the UK in the past weeks – a development that led Boris Johnson to delay the planned 21 June date for full lifting of Covid restrictions in England.

The latest figures from Public Health England (PHE) reveal that cases of the variant have risen by 33,630 since last week, with data supporting previous reports that Delta is more transmissible than the Alpha variant, B.1.1.7. Another report from PHE adds to evidence the Delta variant is somewhat more resistant to Covid vaccines, particularly after just one dose – although protection is far higher against hospitalisation that symptomatic disease.

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Cases of Covid Delta variant in UK rise over 75,000 – PHE data

Figures show Delta is more transmissible and more resistant to vaccine than Alpha
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I watched the drama Together this morning with James McAvoy, harrowing but with a happy ending kind of. This latest news isn't good. :( My brother-in-law's mate got it, even though he'd had both his jabs, he was proper poorly and they told him he probably wouldn't have survived if not for the jabs.

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Amity Island said:
Worrying....this is the reason I think it is far too early to come to any conclusions on the vaccines. I think it will take another 6 months at least to say with any certainty if the vaccines are working. The cases were already heading south before the vaccines got going, so it's too early to tell.
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6 months?
If you don't think vaccines work, how do you explain the several months worth of official data showing a virtually flat line in cases amongst the fully vaccinated age groups when all the other age groups are showing large rises?
The first figure in the following link shows that vaccines are quite clearly working but I'm open to alternative suggestions.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...s/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26#health
 
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pm133 said:
6 months?
If you don't think vaccines work, how do you explain the several months worth of official data showing a virtually flat line in cases amongst the fully vaccinated age groups when all the other age groups are showing large rises?
The first figure in the following link shows that vaccines are quite clearly working but I'm open to alternative suggestions.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...s/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26#health
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The flat line for vaccinated people has been very encouraging to see, but I suspect a lot of the data came from cases other than the Delta variant.
I wonder if we will see a rise in cases amongst double vaccinated people now that the Delta is dominant, albeit mild cases. My nephew has just managed to infect both his doubly vaccinated parents with Covid, but they just have symptoms of an annoying cold.
 
Robin said:
The flat line for vaccinated people has been very encouraging to see, but I suspect a lot of the data came from cases other than the Delta variant.
I wonder if we will see a rise in cases amongst double vaccinated people now that the Delta is dominant, albeit mild cases. My nephew has just managed to infect both his doubly vaccinated parents with Covid, but they just have symptoms of an annoying cold.
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Even more encouraging, the Delta variant has been in the country for 4 months under largely the same restrictions as we're seeing now. I think if it was going to cause large numbers of hospitalisations and deaths amongst the doubly vaccinated we'd have seen it by now.
The evidence also supports your idea that symptoms will be milder for those doubly vaccinated who do catch it.

I'm still intruiged by @Amity Island's claim that we need another 6 months to see if vaccines work on any level. That flies in the face of a mountain of evidence to the contrary.
 
pm133 said:
6 months?
If you don't think vaccines work, how do you explain the several months worth of official data showing a virtually flat line in cases amongst the fully vaccinated age groups when all the other age groups are showing large rises?
The first figure in the following link shows that vaccines are quite clearly working but I'm open to alternative suggestions.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...s/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26#health
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I never said or meant I dont think they work, I just think we need more time to see how well they can work. Cases were falling long before the vaccines got going.
 
Amity Island said:
I never said or meant I dont think they work, I just think we need more time to see how well they can work. Cases were falling long before the vaccines got going.
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With respect you've not answered my question about how you explain the age-related cases curves.
I'd be interested in your view on that and why don't see this as evidence that vaccines are working.
 
Amity Island said:
That's why I'm reserving judgement just for a bit longer. Both you and @Birdy have both said they know people who have been double vaccinated and still caught the virus AND went on to develop symptoms, quite bad too.
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Which is completely consistent with everything we thought we knew, isn't it? The vaccines are amazingly effective but not perfect, and they're maybe a bit less effective on some of the variants?

If you want a bit more anecdata, nobody that I know who's fully vaccinated (including me, and including my mum who now lives in Liverpool and her friend who lives in Berry) have caught the virus since. (That we know, anyway.)
 
Amity Island said:
That's why I'm reserving judgement just for a bit longer. Both you and @Birdy have both said they know people who have been double vaccinated and still caught the virus AND went on to develop symptoms, quite bad too.
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No, I didn’t say they got it badly, I said it was quite mild. Reading @Birdy's post, it was possible that without the vaccine, he may not have survived.
 
Did anybody see the advert at the end of the football. Quite bad taste but hella funny. Boris offing that sharky looking guy because he's giving us all the gen on the virus. :D I'm quite surprised how much those muppets can get away with, both the government and the advert peoples. :D
 
The reason 19-24 year olds are showing increased rate of infection is that they have yet to be fully vaccinated. That much should be obvious. They are all rushing to get vaccinated, mind.
 
Amity Island said:
Thanks.

The graph used the worst week ever in case numbers as the comparative baseline. As a result of that, it shows all cases except the 10-20 year olds as falling. It would be more beneficial to use a base line in the preceding weeks or at least an average rather than the worst week ever.
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It's not just 10-20 year olds seeing an increase in infections.
It's every group which has yet to be vaccinated.

I know you're trying to find another reason for this but sometimes the answer isn't convenient.
 
Amity Island said:
@pm133 @Robin

I'm just saying from a study perspective that in order to come to any conclusions about any study, be it widgets or boats, it's too early to draw definitive conclusions.

How do we know how strong a boat is until we open up the sails?

Until we completely open up, remove the social distancing, the masks, the max indoor guests to households, open up the close contact situations where viruses are known to transmit, until then, we haven't really tested in the real world.

After we open up, then we can start looking at the fuller picture and that is why I suggested 6 months, because by then, I'm hoping we will have opened up and had chance to study.
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But ths isn't an academic study AI and we don't have the luxury of taking our time over it. It's a global pandemic and our economy is going down the pan as we speak.

The evidence is crystal clear that vaccines work. Obviously there will be tests of the sort you are advocating but right now the priority is to fire these clearly working vaccines into as many arms as we can and get these damn restrictions lifted. Now!

A much bigger test will come in winter but need to be fully open and free to see how good the vaccines are at that time. Otherwise there will be more fear and panic in Winter 2022 and beyond and we'll never be free.

I get this is going to require courage from the government because it COULD all go pear-shaped but that is why we pay them so much money. They signed up for this by standing for election. We don't elect these people so that they can simply act like paralysed cowards afraid of losing their jobs, in time of difficulty like this.
 
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