Can I set up my libre without a nurse?

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StephanieMLW

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Hi all,

I was diagnosed with Type 1 almost a month ago now. It's been a busy month! I was really excited to receive my Libre 2 at the start of this week, however when I visited my GP practise for my pneumonia vaccine, I was told by the nurse there that I'd have to make an appointment with a nurse at my local diabetes centre to set it up. I have been trying to get hold of them to make an appointment all week, but to no avail.

Have other people had the same experience? Or have you set up your libres by yourself? I'm keen to be on a CGM asap, especially as I don't have much hypo awareness and I have various work trips in the next few weeks where I will be travelling alone.

Any advice much appreciated - thank you
 
Hi all,

I was diagnosed with Type 1 almost a month ago now. It's been a busy month! I was really excited to receive my Libre 2 at the start of this week, however when I visited my GP practise for my pneumonia vaccine, I was told by the nurse there that I'd have to make an appointment with a nurse at my local diabetes centre to set it up. I have been trying to get hold of them to make an appointment all week, but to no avail.

Have other people had the same experience? Or have you set up your libres by yourself? I'm keen to be on a CGM asap, especially as I don't have much hypo awareness and I have various work trips in the next few weeks where I will be travelling alone.

Any advice much appreciated - thank you
Hi Stephanie
When I first started using the libre I had to be shown how to use it by a rep at the hospital. To be honest it's really easy to do especially as there's loads of videos online but I still think it's a requirement you have to do. If you don't get much hypo awareness then you should get a cgm. I would mention this to your dsn the next time. Good luck

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Given how many people self fund Libre, you should be able to set it up yourself.
However, some areas won't prescribe it until you have had the training.
I also had to sign a form to confirm that I would scan at least 3 times a day, report failures to Abbott, etc.
 
Have other people had the same experience? Or have you set up your libres by yourself? I'm keen to be on a CGM asap, especially as I don't have much hypo awareness and I have various work trips in the next few weeks where I will be travelling alone.
Like many others I self funded for a year or so, so set it up myself. There's an advantage in having someone do the first application (or watch you as you do it) and so on, but it's not that hard.
 
I set mine up by myself when I was self funding. However, when I had it prescribed, I had to attend an online webinar, and during the course of that, they gave out the hospital's code to put into Libre view, which I had to agree to do so that the hospital could access the results. That may be why they want some input.
 
Hi all,

I was diagnosed with Type 1 almost a month ago now. It's been a busy month! I was really excited to receive my Libre 2 at the start of this week, however when I visited my GP practise for my pneumonia vaccine, I was told by the nurse there that I'd have to make an appointment with a nurse at my local diabetes centre to set it up. I have been trying to get hold of them to make an appointment all week, but to no avail.

Have other people had the same experience? Or have you set up your libres by yourself? I'm keen to be on a CGM asap, especially as I don't have much hypo awareness and I have various work trips in the next few weeks where I will be travelling alone.

Any advice much appreciated - thank you
Hi stephannie like others i self funded for a year and bought them online and got on with it without any help but the FSL site i was about 69 then when they was first available am now 75 so if i can get it going any one can,good luck.
 
However, when I had it prescribed, I had to attend an online webinar, and during the course of that, they gave out the hospital's code to put into Libre view, which I had to agree to do so that the hospital could access the results.
But that shouldn't be required any more. And if that's what they want, it can be done later. (It's not trivial to find the right place to enter the code and so on, but all that can be done later just as easily.)
 
But that shouldn't be required any more. And if that's what they want, it can be done later. (It's not trivial to find the right place to enter the code and so on, but all that can be done later just as easily.)
Oh I agree, but from the point of view of the clinics, it’s easier if you can collar people at the time, and it also means they are sure people are going to be using properly, what after all is quite an expensive piece of kit. But I’m all for someone who is engaged and competent setting up their own.
 
Hi Stephanie, welcome to the forum.
I was prescribed Libre 2 in Feb 2, 12 months after my surgery, when Covid isolation was preventing any face to face contact. Abbott have about 9 video seminars, freely available to anyone and one NHS condition was that I watched these. I did; no-one could prove I had watched but I truthfully declared I'd watched them. My Libre 2 came in the post and I've been wearing one ever since.
I was diagnosed with Type 1 almost a month ago now. It's been a busy month! I was really excited to receive my Libre 2 at the start of this week, however when I visited my GP practise for my pneumonia vaccine, I was told by the nurse there that I'd have to make an appointment with a nurse at my local diabetes centre to set it up. I have been trying to get hold of them to make an appointment all week, but to no avail.
I think your GP surgery nurse is misinformed. The reality is that, despite a great improvement in availability of sensors for T1s since the change in the NICE Guidelines earlier this year, most GP surgeries don't look after T1s. They routinely care for T2s, some 90% of the D population, but T1s are looked after by their specialist hospital team (Endocrinologists and Diabetes Specialist Nurses [DSNs]). At our small surgery, during a face to face, our Practice Nurse had never seen a sensor before and thought there were 3 other patients on their books with Libre. She was happy to spend a few minutes hearing about its benefits. So politely but robustly challenge this. Rules do change, but fitting Libre 2 is easy and doesn't need face to face training for most people.

The quandary is that you need your GP to write the repeat prescriptions. So, you don't need anyone's permission to wear the medical equipment you've been sent, but you do need your GP Surgery to add Libre 2 to your prescriptions for needles, insulin, test strips etc. The training is easily available on line.
The benefit of you having being newly diagnosed (as opposed to someone who was diagnosed some time ago and used to using finger pricks etc) is you won't have to adjust your managment in any way.
I think this advice could be slightly misleading. Libre 2 is an excellent aid and improver of your D management, but it does have its limitations, which (not surprisingly) Abbott don't make much emphasis about!

When Libre isn't working, and it happens, you need the traditional D management technique of finger prick testing to keep you safe. At this early stage you need a bit more testing to help you see results in relation to your normal daily living: not just what you are eating and how your body manages that food, but what any exercise and activity does for you and your BG; stress has major effects on BG - be that stress from difficulties, medical or hormonal issues or even just watching a frightening or sad TV programme!

Libre provides a significant improvement in your visibility of your BG without the faff of finger pricking, but Libre is looking at your interstitial BG not your actual BG and lags actual BG by up to 15 minutes. Abbott claim this was reduced from 15 mins to c. 2.5 mins, but the claim is not quite fair; they use an algorithm to adjust the sensor reading and that bit of technical maths (science) does not (can not) take account of how your body is behaving.

Just one example: you get so low you go hypo. Your body might tell you this, but your Libre might not have caught up and be showing you as a little above the hypo threshold. You treat the hypo, say 15gms of a fast glucose such as Dextrose or Jelly Babies and recovery is underway - but Libre is now telling you that you are actually hypo. Tendency is to then over react and take more glucose, with a rebound that can become a hyper. This scenario is real enough and manageable, but needs an element of self-control along with understanding of what the technology is doing.
With the older style of management, you only had to check your glucose reading before meals if you wanted to, you rarely got to see what was happening to blood sugars between meals. In times gone by, it was perfectly acceptable (by the medical profession) to have huge spikes between meals. Now, with the libre, after a few weeks of using it, you will soon be able to manage your doses, your timing of doses (how far upfront you need to take your insulin to avoid spikes) and see what foods have what effects.
I certainly agree with all of that.
It really is a great piece of technology which sees an end to relentless finger pricking and allows you to do things (activities) many of us didn't dare to do. There hasn't been a better time to be diagnosed (not that there is ever a good time 🙂lol).
But just be aware that not everyone has a perfect, albeit delayed, correlation between Libre and actual BG. Even without manufacturing tolerances of some 15% for both Libre and any test meters, I regularly have Libre reading 2-3 units above actual, sometimes 2-3 below actual and sometimes starting high, then dropping low during the 14 day life of a sensor. My overall Libre failure rate is 50% and I accept that my body doesn't get on well with Libre. So I'm constantly mentally juggling to picture what my Libre is telling me against what is actually happening. It is brilliant that the tech allows this, but it is one more thing to keep in sight. If I didn't do this mental adjustment, my D management would become even more confusing as I might think I'm making the appropriate response, yet not getting the appropriate result.
Have other people had the same experience? Or have you set up your libres by yourself? I'm keen to be on a CGM asap, especially as I don't have much hypo awareness and I have various work trips in the next few weeks where I will be travelling alone.

Any advice much appreciated - thank you
Got to dash, I'll post the thread about Libre limitations later today. Good luck, Libre is great despite my personal difficulties with it.
 
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Hi, what I was trying to explain was that for those diagnosed today, they won't have to change their management style, because they will go straight onto the libre.
Yes, and my apologies I phrased that badly. My first read of your post made me pause and say to myself whoa ... but I completely get where you were coming from.

I also happened to be hurrying to get out for flu jabs and I'd just had my classic scenario of Libre telling me I was almost 9, but finger prick saying below 6 - so having to bolus using actual BG not Libre and hence a tiny bit more mental maths!! Inevitably when in a hurry things aren't routine; I almost hadn't bothered to test, then thought I'm going out so be cautious, otherwise I would have added a correction for the Libre value and over-bolused. That in itself is not a big problem if I'm home; a 2nd cup of frothy coffee and a cookie resolves that potential hypo before it becomes a real hypo.
For me, moving from finger pricking to libre took quite some getting used to.
For me that was less of a problem. I'd been finger pricking for a year but with truly erratic results and very little understanding; I was being told by my DSN to alter doses, but not getting any explanation. I couldn't see any particular pattern from my logbook. So Libre revealed so much and, even though my finger pricking didn't marry up with Libre, it was so helpful just seeing daily graphs and the various reports. Almost instant reconciliation of action and effect - so useful. My D management improved very rapidly from that.
 
I started self-funding the libre waaaay before it was available on prescription (2014 if memory serves), so while some of the information and pointers available from the NHS are very helpful, it is certainly something you can do by yourself.

There are also excellent online resources like the DTN video series I was asked to make an introduction to - where highly qualified specialist consultants and nurses from all over the UK take you through all aspects of Libre. It’s like having an endo version of The Avengers to help you out (and some numpty PWD doing a basic intro) :rofl:

 
Didn't have any training, so easy to set up a child could do it, you learn as you go along like all things in life.
Same here. I was self-funding the Libre to begin with, so I just read the instructions booklet, slapped it on and started the sensor. My endo and team weren’t involved at all.
 
Well I didn’t self fund. I have been on it since just before the first full
lockdown in the uk.

My call with the practice nurse was my annual review at a new surgery as we had just moved. She offered the libre on prescription and said I would be able to collect from my pharmacy the same day.

Libre have great videos etc if you are stuck buy the instructions are pretty simple too.
Good luck!
 
Thank you so much to all of you for this advice - it has been super useful!

I managed to get hold of the diabetes hospital team on Friday, who sent me a link to do some webinars online - @Robin it was very much the setup that you explained, that they wanted to make sure I entered their code for tracking etc . I have also looked at some of the links shared on here, which have given me that extra bit of info (thanks @everydayupsanddowns - the link you sent provided me with lots of bedtime reading!). I must admit, it took me about twenty minutes to pluck up the courage to apply the sensor after I saw the needle applicator :rofl: I've always had a needle phobia to the point that I'd faint at the sight of them - being type 1 has pretty much cured me of that, but I had a bit of a wobble at the Libre!! I then however felt like a complete wimp as it was totally painless 🙄

@Amity Island your point around the timings is really interesting - I was amazed that in the first 24 hours of wearing my Libre 2 my blood sugars dropped very quickly to 4 or less five times. I suspected I'd been having night time hypos, and it turns out I have been, I had two (3am & 5am) the first night I wore it. I sense checked the result the third time with my finger pricks, as I don't 'feel' my hypos very well at all. After a bit of experimentation, I worked out that for me there appears to be about a 5 minute time lag between my blood and libre readings. I'm looking forward to having a review with the diabetes team this week, as my Libre has shown me some pretty unexpected readings so far - these extreme drops seem to correlate with finishing a meal or they're in the middle of the night, so although all my medical team have said my carb counting is spot on, there's something to discuss here.

Thanks again for your replies - this forum is really helping with my sanity!
 
I started self-funding the libre waaaay before it was available on prescription (2014 if memory serves), so while some of the information and pointers available from the NHS are very helpful, it is certainly something you can do by yourself.

There are also excellent online resources like the DTN video series I was asked to make an introduction to - where highly qualified specialist consultants and nurses from all over the UK take you through all aspects of Libre. It’s like having an endo version of The Avengers to help you out (and some numpty PWD doing a basic intro) :rofl:

Mike, I found that "numpty PWD"'s input very useful when I watched those DTN videos and that was the NHS requirement for me to get Libre on prescription, despite self funding and successfully using it before that. Of course I had already picked up lots of useful tips and info from that same "numpty PWD" and others of course here on the forum, before I watched those DTN videos. Just want to say how much I appreciate all your input in helping us real "numpties" or at least newbies find our way forward with diabetes. A huge "THANKS" to you for all the work you put into supporting others with diabetes.
 
I suspected I'd been having night time hypos, and it turns out I have been, I had two (3am & 5am) the first night I wore it. I sense checked the result the third time with my finger pricks, as I don't 'feel' my hypos very well at all.
Same happened to me (with Libre 1, so I just got to saw I was having hypos the next day). Which explained why I was feeling tired during the day, and fortunately reducing the night time hypos also let my hypo awareness return.
 
Same happened to me (with Libre 1, so I just got to saw I was having hypos the next day). Which explained why I was feeling tired during the day, and fortunately reducing the night time hypos also let my hypo awareness return.

That's reassuring to hear - I've been waking up feeling like I have a mild hangover most days, which I am presuming is the night time hypos (I don't drink!)
 
That's reassuring to hear - I've been waking up feeling like I have a mild hangover most days, which I am presuming is the night time hypos (I don't drink!)
This is what I was having and I had no idea.

I would wake up in range on my blood monitor so I didn’t know. As soon as I got my libre (even before 2 with alarms) we could see that 3am drop and it explained why I always was so tired.

I get less of them now. I have zero hypo awareness at night, and I had no idea.

It’s literally a life saver; as is this forum
 
Mike, I found that "numpty PWD"'s input very useful when I watched those DTN videos and that was the NHS requirement for me to get Libre on prescription, despite self funding and successfully using it before that. Of course I had already picked up lots of useful tips and info from that same "numpty PWD" and others of course here on the forum, before I watched those DTN videos. Just want to say how much I appreciate all your input in helping us real "numpties" or at least newbies find our way forward with diabetes. A huge "THANKS" to you for all the work you put into supporting others with diabetes.

Awwwww! Thanks @rebrascora ***blushes*** 😛
 
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