Can a person with a blood sugar reading of 2.4 mean what they say

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jools999

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Hi,

I'm new here and feel absolutely awful. Since January I've been investigated for an under active
thyroid. I've not been able to keep any food down at all. The last 8 weeks have been horrendous; literally fainting, vomiting up to 20 times a day, not being able to be near food due to nausea, my hands and legs keep shaking, I've lost 3 stone in weight, keep bursting into tears and slurring my speech.

I'm under a private endo who's doing loads of tests for my thyroid but I keep passing out and not hearing clients ring on the door, feel really confused and have absolutely no short term memory. I've had 4 ambulances out to me in the last month, only to be sent home whilst still dizzy.

My daughter called an ambulance out to me when she found me collapsed on the kitchen floor. I came round to a paramedic doing heart compressions on me. The thing is, in my confused state, I refused to go to my local hospital but promised I'd go to another by taxi.

The paramedic who was with me was a real bully: threatening to call social services if I didn't go with them. I was absolutely freezing and asked if I could have a blanket. She said 'I don't know where your bloody blankets are, get one yourself' I literally crawled into my bed on a Tuesday and woke up Thursday.

I became so weak I was eventually admitted to hospital for 10 days. I noticed that I couldn't stop going to the loo,like 10 minutes after I'd been I'd want to go again! I've always drunk loads of water and I wake up sweating.

I've not yet been diagnosed as diabetic, but it does run in my family. The thing I'd like to know is, when the paramedic report came through I was devastated. It said I'm a smoker, I'm not, I have a learning disability, I don't, that they were called out for a suicide attempt and that I have a suicide plan in place and, worst of all, I hear voices in my head and experience hallucinactions. Absolutely none of this is true. However, over the last couple of months my twin daughters have told me I've said some awful things which I can't remember and have somehow managed read the paramedic report (It was given to their father for safe keeping). They each visited me for a maximum of 10 minutes when I was in hospital, won't speak to me and are so angry with me. I know it's been a rough few months for everyone but can someone tell me if it's possible to say things you're unaware of when your blood sugar is so low? I suspect the paramedic of fabricating the report as I absolutely cannot imagine saying the things they wrote on it. I've tried googling diabetes symptoms, a lot of which I can identify with, but none say that, when hypoglycemic,you can say things you don't mean or are completely untrue. Apologies for the long rant but I badly need this question answered. Thank you.
 
Hello @jools999

Welcome to the forum!

I’m not sure where you are based, but it sounds like it may not be the UK?

A diagnosis of diabetes (or pre diabetes) is usually characterised by elevated blood glucose, rather than hypoglycaemia. The most important thing, I think, is to get a proper diagnosis so that a care plan can be put in place.

To answer your question about hypos though - yes. It is perfectly possible for people with very low blood glucose to have lapses of memory, and also to become resistant or violent, or to verbally lash out. Usually this only follows a succession of warning signs like trembling, tingling lips, hunger, blurred or disturbed vision, sweating etc.

Hope you can soon get a definitive diagnosis and a proper care plan can be out in place to help you.
 
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Cannot answer your question with any authority jools but as far as I know you can only be hypoglycemic ( blood glucose below 4) if you are either taking insulin or some medication which promotes the production of your natural insulin and you would not be on those medications without a diagnosis of diabetes. Your headline quotes a blood glucose of 2.4. Can you tell us how that measurement came about?
 
Cannot answer your question with any authority jools but as far as I know you can only be hypoglycemic ( blood glucose below 4) if you are either taking insulin or some medication which promotes the production of your natural insulin and you would not be on those medications without a diagnosis of diabetes. Your headline quotes a blood glucose of 2.4.
This is not correct.
I believe the condition is called reactive hypoglycaemia.
 
Thank you for the correction Pumper_Sue.
 
Your headline quotes a blood glucose of 2.4. Can you tell us how that measurement came about?
Why do you think you're diabetic? Low BG/hypos like you suggest would suggest a diabetic on insulin or glitizide to me.
There are conditions that make your BG low. Unrelated to diabetes (as far as I know).

What have the doctors said. Get some info from the doctors, in writing, on your symptoms/condition.
 
Memory, use of language and the ability to think can be affected by several things, including low BG.
 
Memory losses and being cuss objectionable can also relate to very high blood glucose, and 'red mist' tempers can be caused by PMT and menopausal hormone fluctuations.

Have you discussed what the ambulance team reported with your GP? If not - why not?
 
Cannot answer your question with any authority jools but as far as I know you can only be hypoglycemic ( blood glucose below 4) if you are either taking insulin or some medication which promotes the production of your natural insulin and you would not be on those medications without a diagnosis of diabetes. Your headline quotes a blood glucose of 2.4. Can you tell us how that measurement came about?

Docb - I have neither reactive hypoglycaemia and don't take any medications impacting on my blood sugars, but my blood sugars go into the 3s most days, for varying periods. Lots of "normal" people do. They just have no clue, because they don't test as we tend to.

@jools999 - what treatment and interventions are you having for your thyroid issues? Unfortunately, bearing in mind our thyroid is a key player in our whole metabolic health, when it goes wonky, it can wreak havoc.

Please don't think I am trying to diagnose or trivialise anything I'm not, but it feels like there could be a raft of potential causes for your symptoms.
 
Thank you And breathe, I know I am still learning. Can you get down to the low 2's without medication?
 
Thank you And breathe, I know I am still learning. Can you get down to the low 2's without medication?

I've recorded (and checked) a 2.4 myself. I was extremely hungry, and it was a delayed lunchtime, so I ate! I was verging on hangry at that point.

Some folks feel vile at 4, or just below, so I'd say that like all things diabetes related, it's very much a personal thing.
 
Thank you And breathe, I know I am still learning. Can you get down to the low 2's without medication?
People with Addison's disease can go lower with a BP to match, they can resemble a breathing corpse when in crisis and if not treated can in fact be a corpse.
 
I think non medically trained members can’t sensibly comment on this thread because of the highly complex mixture of physical and mental symptoms involved, and I can’t make head nor tail of it. That should be left to folk who can listen to the history and make examinations, not speculate at a distance. For that reason I think further comment should be closed, because it is futile.
 
I think non medically trained members can’t sensibly comment on this thread because of the highly complex mixture of physical and mental symptoms involved, and I can’t make head nor tail of it. That should be left to folk who can listen to the history and make examinations, not speculate at a distance. For that reason I think further comment should be closed, because it is futile.
Hello @jools999

Welcome to the forum!

I’m not sure where you are based, but it sounds like it may not be the UK?

A diagnosis of diabetes (or pre diabetes) is usually characterised by elevated blood glucose, rather than hypoglycaemia. The most important thing, I think, is to get a proper diagnosis so that a care plan can be put in place.

To answer your question about hypos though - yes. It is perfectly possible for people with very low blood glucose to have lapses of memory, and also to become resistant or violent, or to verbally lash out. Usually this only follows a succession of warning signs like trembling, tingling lips, hunger, blurred or disturbed vision, sweating etc.

Hope you can soon get a definitive diagnosis and a proper care plan can be out in place to help you.


Hi, I am actually in the the UK 🙂 My Endo took 14 vials of blood on Tuesday and I know he's testing for Adisons disease, diabetes as well as thyroid. I used to go out with a boyfriend who was type1 and regularly had hypos. He'd usually eat dextrose tablets but had a massive injection in the fridge
which he told me to inject into his back side if I couldn't wake him as he needed the glucose.I've had a horrible month but bought a blood sugar monitor which is now running high, though I don't understand how to read it as it's different to the one I had before which broke. I keep getting blurred vision, am exhausted, I've always drunk about 6 litres of water a day anyway but my symptoms could be thyroid or Addisons. too. I'm not trying to diagnose myself as diabetic, I just wondered if a hypo could lead one to say things they don't mean. Sorry but I don't know how to reply to the whole thread.
 

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who was type1 and regularly had hypos.
They were likely injecting insulin, which is probably related to the hypos. As people have said, insulin increases the risk of hypos.
 
The one sure thing is you need a proper diagnosis.
 
've had a horrible month but bought a blood sugar monitor which is now running high, though I don't understand how to read it as it's different to the one I had before which broke.
So where did you get the meter from as it's not reading in the UK measurements?
 
Thank you And breathe, I know I am still learning. Can you get down to the low 2's without medication?
Generally the lower limit for a non-diabetic person would be 3.3 mmol/l. However, reactive hypoglycaemia (carbs causing an overstimulation of beta cells and release of excessive insulin, causing lebels to drop low before the glucagon/liver response can compensate) can drop levels lower. Also, in some extreme circumstances a perfectly healthy person can experience very low levels e.g. Paula Radcliffe after heavy training sessions, also Ranulph Fiennes (as described in Survival of the Fittest). No doubt there are many other potential causes of which I am unaware.
 
Hi, I am actually in the the UK 🙂 My Endo took 14 vials of blood on Tuesday and I know he's testing for Adisons disease, diabetes as well as thyroid. I used to go out with a boyfriend who was type1 and regularly had hypos. He'd usually eat dextrose tablets but had a massive injection in the fridge
which he told me to inject into his back side if I couldn't wake him as he needed the glucose.I've had a horrible month but bought a blood sugar monitor which is now running high, though I don't understand how to read it as it's different to the one I had before which broke. I keep getting blurred vision, am exhausted, I've always drunk about 6 litres of water a day anyway but my symptoms could be thyroid or Addisons. too. I'm not trying to diagnose myself as diabetic, I just wondered if a hypo could lead one to say things they don't mean. Sorry but I don't know how to reply to the whole thread.
The meter you have is showing readings in md/dL, which are the units used in the USA and some other parts of the world. In the UK we use meters which display in mmol/L. To convert the numbers on your meter divide by 18 to get mmol/L 🙂

From your picture, the readings show you are quite high before eating, especially the Sunday one which converts to 13.3 mmol/L - a normal level before eating should be around 4-7 mmol/L. Have you had an HbA1c test or a glucose tolerance test?
 
Memory losses and being cuss objectionable can also relate to very high blood glucose, and 'red mist' tempers can be caused by PMT and menopausal hormone fluctuations.

Have you discussed what the ambulance team reported with your GP? If not - why not?
Because I've only just got out of hospital. I have an appointment with him on Thursday.
 
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