Being overweight makes no difference to health (according to the Express)

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From the Express today:

ACCEPTED medical wisdom that overweight people are more susceptible to diabetes, heart disease and high blood pressure is a myth, a shock new report suggests.

Even people who are obese suffer no adverse health effects until they turn 40. The research flies in the face of Government attempts to combat the so-called ?obesity timebomb?, which it has been claimed will lead to a generation of youngsters dying before their parents.

The new study has led to calls to curb our obsession with dieting. Brant Jarrett, of Ohio State University, one of the researchers, said: ?There is a myth going on. Our findings show being overweight is no different from being what we believe is a healthy weight and this is across a person?s entire lifespan.

?Don?t worry if you are overweight. What is all that stress and dieting doing to your body? Probably more damage than the extra 15lb.

?Being obese before you are 40 has no correlation to your health either. The risk that people are told about does not exist.?

The report, published in the International Journal of Obesity, shows that between the ages of 25 and 70 there is little difference in the health of normal compared with overweight people based on the amount of medication they are taking.

The study also examined the relationship between body mass index and illness and found those defined as obese, with a BMI of 30 or above, had no more health problems than those who were a ?healthy? weight if they were under 40. Researchers did find obesity was associated with an increase in medication use among adults aged 40 to 70.

Dr Malcolm Kendrick, author of the Great Cholesterol Con and a specialist in cardiovascular *disease and weight, said: ?This study confirms a lot of other research showing essentially that most people considered obese are at no increased risk of death.

?Overweight and obese people are being frightened into thinking they are ill and they are not.?

He added: ?There is no doubt gross obesity clearly damages health, but the risk does not occur at the levels people are being told.?

The researchers examined the health and weight of nearly 18,000 US men and women in selected years between 1988 and 2006.

To identify the levels of illness, they examined the use of prescribed medications, ruling out drugs typically used to treat mental rather than physical *ailments.

Professor Philip James, a world expert on obesity and president of the International Obesity Taskforce, last night questioned the research. ?This is an odd finding and conflicts with a wealth of other studies,? he said.

?Body Mass Index is not a very accurate predictor of risk. It is a crude and arbitrary figure but many other studies show if someone is overweight or obese it will increase their risk of health problems later on in life.

?Some obese people can get away with it if they exercise and by virtue of their genetics but a wealth of evidence shows the risk of problems such as heart disease, joint problems and diabetes increases.?
 
Is this a joke?:confused:

The reason why the majority of people are overweight is due to eating to much or eating the wrong things, this in turn will clog arteries over time leading to heart disease... thats a fact, and one which I read extensively up on using evidence based reseach for an essay for uni :confused:

My bro in law is evidence of what a poor diet and being slightly overweight can do, 16 stone and having a heart attack at 35, they can sugar coat it all they want but it seems very irresponsible to suggest trhat being overweight does not affect health!! 😱
 
Frankly I am surprised by how this got through the peer review system that science has. I suppose there are more nut cases out there than we care to admit. I am of the opinion that there is no way around the fact that obesity does damage our health. I'm sorry but this is essentially saying the it's fine to live on big macs and such rubbish. This isn't on in my opinion. What a bunch of wasters.
 
I also heard it on the radio this morning but taking it with a pinch of SALT
 
Is this a joke?:confused:

The reason why the majority of people are overweight is due to eating to much or eating the wrong things, this in turn will clog arteries over time leading to heart disease... thats a fact, and one which I read extensively up on using evidence based reseach for an essay for uni :confused:

This statement is close to the '{quote}fat people get diabetes statement{end quote} that I thought we were trying to get away from. People respond differently to their environment and lifestyle. It is just not true that people are overweight due to eating too much or the wrong things, nothing is that simple.
 
I think that, in a 'thin is healthy' society we lose sight of the fact that some people are bigger quite naturally, and are perfectly healthy for it. BMI is a notoriously inaccurate method of determining risk. Some people who lead unhealthy lives can add to risk, but some people who lead fit and active lives are just naturally outside the currently accepted 'norm' as far as weight goes.
 
Please take care not to stereotype or judge!

As a person that has been significantly 'Overweight' through the majority of my life, I was put on my first 'Diet' aged 8. I am always open to new research that may look at alternative findings other than the 'Small' minded veiws so often held by many people that 'Most' overweight people eat MacDonald type foods alike. I DO NOT eat Macdonalds or any type of takeaway other than maybe twice in a year, and this is usually at a time of crisis, as when my son was ill and cooking was the least of my thoughts, and times when we have been staying with relatives, so the menu has not been of my choice!...I strongly believe that genetics DO play a part in weight issues. In my family we have overweight people and very thin people, take for instance my 2 sons, both brought up the same on same food, yet one is slightly overweight and the other is very thin! This is the same for brothers, cousins and aunts ect, ect. Whenever we are presented with a new theory we are all so ready to trash it!...Most studies are influenced by picking 'type' participants, often to have the effect most desired to support beliefs already held in the main stream. People are individuals, us fatties don't all sit and stuff our faces wth sweets and 'all the wrong foods!' I am sick to death of the discrimination that overweight people are consatntly having to fight....I am sad to find that small minded attitude being expressed here! Maybe one ought to think of the long lasting damage that such attictudes can cause, isolation for one, fear of ridicule and low self esteem and depression that 'Most' overweight people suffer directly as a consequence to such predjudice attitudes....and by the way, before I suffered a severe back injury some years back, I was 16 stone, went to the gym 5/6 times a week and worked out for appox 90 to 120 minutes each visit. I put most of the skinnys to shame in the gym and had the blood pressure of an athelete...My Drs words to me! I ate healthy and had plenty of veg, I had smoothies for my fruit intake....I was extremely healthy and very fit, yet I was 16 stone and only 5'2!...Not the 'stereotypical' fattie a! Now, my life is diffrent, since I became unwell some 4 years ago I can barely walk, my mobility is such that I have to use a walking aid, if people look at me now they would probaly judge me as the fattie who eats Mac D and Knetucky....WELL, I don't! I eat the same as I used to, well, to a degree, I eat less because of the Diabetes and no more fruit smoothies...and yes, I now weigh more, not because of my food intake, but because I find movement difficult and anyting I eat I near on impossible to work off!...So please, whilst most of you may poo poo this article of findings, please try not to use words that define Fat people as greedy or eating the wrong foods....We may be fat, but we are individuals too, to express an opinion does not mean that one needs to sterotype or judge!

Ellowyne
 
After applying a number of statistical tests to the data, the researchers found that among all age groups, with few exceptions, there was no significant difference in the severity of illness between those with normal weight and overweight BMIs. There was a slight increase in the percentage of medication use among men age 40 to 70 with overweight BMIs when compared to men of normal weight
which appears to be contradictory
On the other hand, obesity was associated with a significant increase in medication use among adults age 40 to 70. For example, almost 70 percent of obese women age 40 to 54 were taking medication in the later time frame, compared to about 57 percent of women with a normal weight. Among men of the same age in the same time frame, medication use was 61 percent and 39 percent, respectively

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2010-05/osu-bd052510.php

And now I've found the abstract from the published paper . Here is his conclusion... I am really surprised that it has been published with this phraseology. It was published online in Dec. (so why are the press release now,sounds like a bit of well designed publicity)
http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v34/n3/abs/ijo2009258a.html

First, medication loads, a measure of current health status, were increased in obese compared with the normal-weight people, but the effect was mainly at ages over 40 years. In addition, BMI category contributed less to medication loads at ages 25–39 than in older groups. Second, there was little difference in current health status in normal-weight versus overweight people at all ages. Finally, higher medication loads in women than men are more apparent in younger than older people. Although obesity does not substantially affect current health in young people, it is likely that the increased medication loads in obese compared with normal-weight older people originates at least in part from an increased BMI starting at a younger age. Thus, age, gender and onset of high BMI all require consideration when using BMI to assess current health status
 
This statement is close to the '{quote}fat people get diabetes statement{end quote} that I thought we were trying to get away from. People respond differently to their environment and lifestyle. It is just not true that people are overweight due to eating too much or the wrong things, nothing is that simple.

I said the majority of people are overweight due to diet(not everyone), Im technically overweight at 59kg and only 5 ft 1 🙄
I didnt even mention "fat people" or diabetes lol Just think it is rediculous to imply that being overweight does not carry risks.... I have worked in care for many years and have cared for hospital patients and care home residents who are ill mosly due to diet related issues not to mention have broken down skin and sores due to being overweight.....
Im not fattist (as I already said, im overweight) but its a bit diluded to think that diet and being overweight does not contribute to having bad health in the long run

Im sorry if this offends anyone :(
 
...Im not fattist (as I already said, im overweight) but its a bit diluded to think that diet and being overweight does not contribute to having bad health in the long run

Im sorry if this offends anyone :(

I think the key word is diet, as I said earlier, some people don't conform to society's 'norm' but they may be much healthier and fitter than most of us. Some people, on the other hand, take no interest in their health and are overweight meaning that they weigh more than is healthy for them. I used to be classed as 'underweight' - 5' 9", 8st. but I was living a healthy lifestyle and running marathons - alongside people twice my size, but just as fit and healthy.🙂
 
Have to agree with Ellowyne. To suggest that all overweight people are so because of greed is frankly naive and untrue. Sounds very much like a Daily Mail kind of statement.

Some of us have disabilities, or health reasons which increase our chances of being overweight (such as PCOS - which also increases the risks of type 2 diabetes).

I wish I could eat McDoodies every week. But no, I just have to sniff something fattening to put on a stone. I've dieted on and off all my life, it was only when I was put on metformin (pre-triplets - for PCOS/fertility reasons - I wasn't diabetic then) that I lost any weight. After the triplets (and hysterectomy) my docs refused to put me back on it because it was classed as fertility treatment, or diabetes treatment, and I didnt need either (at that stage).

I'm not passing all the blame onto illness and genetics, but I have never been a pig. I know skinny people who eat much more than I did pre-diet, you cant say it's all down to what you eat. Bit unfair to judge people like that.
 
I said the majority of people are overweight due to diet(not everyone), Im technically overweight at 59kg and only 5 ft 1 🙄
I didnt even mention "fat people" or diabetes lol Just think it is rediculous to imply that being overweight does not carry risks.... I have worked in care for many years and have cared for hospital patients and care home residents who are ill mosly due to diet related issues not to mention have broken down skin and sores due to being overweight.....
Im not fattist (as I already said, im overweight) but its a bit diluded to think that diet and being overweight does not contribute to having bad health in the long run

Im sorry if this offends anyone :(


Likewise, it is just as 'ridiculous' to imply that being overweight 'does' and 'will' carry risks for all individuals. It is more than possible to be overweight AND healthy AND fit!...I know this because I WAS both!...By the way, I'm not diluded in any way!

To state a fact and apply to a 'Majority' of people IS in fact Stereotyping...We stereotype by judging beliefs we hold and believing that this 'Fact' or 'Facts' would apply to most...It is NOT as simple as that and to believe otherwise is, in my opinion, small minded and judgemental in attiitude...and diluded!
 
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I'm obese, I have some serious health problems. I do not and have never over eaten in my life, if anything I'm a fussy eater because I have a load of allergies to consider. I also have a lifetime dislike of places like MacDs, although I do like the occasional KFC (maybe once a year). I have however been on massive doses of steroids over the years. Have you ever seen what happens to athletes on those things when they stop exercising? They blow up like balloons. I've been pretty active, walking and swimming until a few years ago when I had surgery on my spine, I still do all I can though. As soon as I stopped growing, the weight started creeping up, I'd try all kinds of diets and lose weight for a while but then it would stop and nothing I did could change that. In addition, I know a few people who are as fat as me and have no real health issues. Some are young, others are my age. I have friends who are skinny (one can't put on weight at all - not thyroid) and eat like pigs.

While excess weight can often be the cause of, or a factor in health problems, it's like every other generalisation, there are plenty of exceptions to the rule. According to these rules I should have Type 2, high blood pressure and high cholesterol. I don't. Thanks to the steroids (possibly), I have pernicious anaemia, I'm not Type 2 and my cholesterol is normal. You cannot pigeon-hole the human race.
 
Lou, I was complaining that your are being too simplistic:
A Harvard Health Report in 2006 said:
Now, weight-loss researchers recognize that all three of these factors ? genetics, environment, and psychological issues ? can contribute to weight disorders. Most overweight people are genetically predisposed to being overweight. But many of these people wouldn?t be overweight in an environment that promoted healthier food choices and encouraged physical activity. Because of these genetic and environmental influences, most people who become overweight have trouble losing weight and keeping it off. This difficulty understandably leads to frustration that can cause depression, anxiety, binge eating disorder, and even bulimia. These psychological complications may interfere with healthy eating and exercise habits, leading to further weight gain and a vicious cycle that only magnifies the problem. Many people have the experience of losing weight only to gain back even more and then repeat this cycle many times over the years.
Yes if you eat more than you burn in exercise you will put on weight.
Being Overweight also only means being in a certain BMI range and BMI does not in itself provide a health indicator as it does not measure body fat content. As muscle is heavier than fat strong men for example have ridiculous BMIs.

I am not offended, I just think you should be more scientific if you are trying to make a scientific point. I think the report is crxp BTW and wasn't trying to defend it.
P.S. The majority of people have less than 2 legs, it's a fact.
 
Maybe I shouldnt of said the majority of people but instead in some people its directly related to diet ( I know this as when I eat too much I gain weight 🙄) I have hypothyroidism which is related to weight gain and I have a friend who has put on lots of weight due to cancer treatment....

The name of the thread is still "being overweight makes no difference to health" and diet asside so discounting blood pressure cholesterol etc it still remains that things like osteo arthritis are related to being overweight...
I just think its shocking to say that it wont cause health problems, imagine if you were bed ridden and couldnt move, do you not think skin integrity would become comprimised due to carrying extra padding? Im sorry if im speaking out of turn but I seriously dont believe that being overweight has no health risks... Im sorry :(

As I said, Im overweight.... and dont think bmi is relliable either or a lot of strong healthy rugby players etc would be off the scale 😱

And of course you can be healthy and overweight, I am.... unfortunately though for my brother in law at 16 stone and 35 having a heart attack this wasnt the case :(
 
Everything you do affects your health, in the long run. Some things more than others and some people seem to get away with it, look at some of the 60's pop stars that are still going strong despite the drug abuse.
I've always wondered, do people who are confined to a wheel chair, perhaps paralysed, do for diet/exercise. They seldom seem to be overweight, (Hawkins is like a skeleton).
 
Cue "I read an article in the New Scientist" time! :D

The article I read seems to chime a little with the article mentioned at the top of this thread.

Specifically, being overweight is the body's way of protecting itself from excess fat. In itself, being overweight is not a problem. However, at some point the body cannot keep storing fat and this then leads to the various metabolic diseases that can occur (diabetes being one).

The point at which these metabolic diseases kick in is different for different people. Hence some 'normal' people may be affected and some 'overweight' people are not.

I think that I also have some sympathy with this other article's suspicion of some 'faddy' diets. I've lost count of the number of times I've heard about someone losing vast quantities of weight only to put it all back on again later. I can see that this will put considerable stress on the body (both physically and mentally).

Assuming someone is 'overweight' and not continuing to put weight on, they may well be better off staying as they are if they find it too difficult to lose weight sustainably.

Andy
 
We saw it too. I am begining to wonder what you van believe in the press these days...
 
very little as there is only one man really controlling everything we see or read in the media..rupert murdoch
 
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