A Type 1 diabetic being put in the same bracket as type 2.

[eggyg]

It’s worth noting that Type 3c diabetes ( treated as Type 1, or at least should be) is now more common than T1. It is due to pancreatic destruction due to factors other than autoimmune factors. The commonest of these is chronic pancreatitis, which in some cases follows one or more episodes of acute pancreatitis caused by alcohol.

I’ve got chronic pancreatitis not due to alcohol, probably an association with ulcerative colitis or it’s treatment. More common in women is gallstones blocking the pancreatic duct, and surgery to treat non malignant tumours of the pancreas. I was T1 years before CP developed.

3c brings its own problems, by far the worst being the assumption by doctors that it’s T2 by reasons of age. The other is explaining how you got it, far more complex than a run of the mill T1, so vanilla T1s have it easy.

Most of you are clueless how Creon can interfere with how quick food is absorbed by the body, and indeed how variable it is. If you are wondering where all these 3c folk are, they are legion on the Pancreatitis forum, but diabetes is not discussed very much, nowhere near as much as pain and symptom relief.

So there you are; the commonest form of insulin dependent diabetes isn’t T1. It’s 3c. It’s still all replacement therapy, but with the bonus of having to replace digestive enzymes (the main job of the pancreas) as well as the secondary function of insulin production.

Now where were we up to in the discussion about T1s and T2s? Bit parochial, even exclusive. Shame on you.😉

Hear hear Mike. I wasn’t even going to comment on this thread as as you say Type 3c is too complex to explain to a HCP never mind anyone else. We’re all diabetic and we’re all different, some have chips on their shoulders and some have no pancreas to speak of!😉

 

[Bexlee]

I find on here - the forum - it doesn’t matter what “type” we are. We all support and encourage each other when we’re down or having a tough time. We also give each other good suggestions when the diabetes were “blessed with” to enable the joining of this special little group is been a right pain in the a@@. We all have out “back stories” as to how we came to be here and we all know we sometimes need to educate people about diabetes in its many forms. Now where is my slab of cake ..... And insulin

 

[Kaylz]

Now where is my slab of cake

where's my slice? LOL xx

 

[Bexlee]

where's my slice? LOL xx

All mine ..... sorry. Me no share cake 😛

Don’t think it’d survive the trip to Bonny Scotland!

 

[Kaylz]

All mine ..... sorry. Me no share cake 😛

Don’t think it’d survive the trip to Bonny Scotland!

RUDE! haha, sharing's caring and all that lol

Your probably right about that though! I'll have to make do with a cake bar or dark chocolate tea cake as that's all I've got in 🙄 xx

 

[everydayupsanddowns]

just out of interest do type 2 diabetics have bad hypos and hypo comas which i have had twice before i went on a pump here in france ?

I am sure they can. Especially if on insulin or other hypoglycaemic agents.

I also believe it's more likely for people newly diagnosed with T2 to have already begun to develop long-term complications, because T2 can come on more slowly over a long period.

My opinion is that no one asks for a diagnosis if diabetes and there isn’t a ‘good’ type among them. It’s very easy to get irritated, and buy-in to media misconceptions and stereotypes - but I believe neither diabetes nor the development of complications should be a source of blame and stigma.

Especially not here - we are here to support each other 🙂

 

[Bexlee]

RUDE! haha, sharing's caring and all that lol

Your probably right about that though! I'll have to make do with a cake bar or dark chocolate tea cake as that's all I've got in 🙄 xx

Wait they do DARK chocolate tea cakes ...... oh. Kw I may trade cake for those !

 

[Kaylz]

Wait they do DARK chocolate tea cakes ...... oh. Kw I may trade cake for those !

If we're talking about the same thing (Tunnock's) then yes they do dark chocolate ones, what cake we talking here? (although there aren't many cakes I don't like haha) xx

 

[Piglet]

Yes, I know exactly what you mean/ As a type 1 for many years I have been asked if it was because I was overweight. I used drive me nuts but now I use the questions I get as a way in to educate and explain the difference and the fact that 80% of Type 2 diagnoses can be prevented so it might be time to make a few changes....... I try never to miss an opportunity to educate the ignorant.

 

[Bexlee]

If we're talking about the same thing (Tunnock's) then yes they do dark chocolate ones, what cake we talking here? (although there aren't many cakes I don't like haha) xx

Yes Tunnocks tea cakes I love them.

Homemade Victoria sponge - a 1/2 cake as we call it as I use 1/2 quantities 100g sugar 100g flour etc and the cut in 1/2 and sandwich together

 

[Kaylz]

Yes Tunnocks tea cakes I love them.

Homemade Victoria sponge - a 1/2 cake as we call it as I use 1/2 quantities 100g sugar 100g flour etc and the cut in 1/2 and sandwich together

They are divine but the dark chocolate ones are so much nicer! They are blue rather than red on the foil

Awww, I haven't had Victoria sponge in years! xx

 

[everydayupsanddowns]

80% of Type 2 diagnoses can be prevented

Do you have a source for that statistic? Be interesting to know where it comes from.

The latest research I saw presented at Diabetes UK suggested that between (if memory serves) 40-75% of a person‘s risk of developing T2 was genetically derived. Which seems rather at odds with your stat?

 

[nonethewiser]

but does any other type 1 diabetics hate getting put in the same bracket as type 2s.

Never noticed it mate, even if did wouldn't get uptight about it, life's to short to worry about labels brackets whatever you want to call them.

 

[Inka]

Do you have a source for that statistic? Be interesting to know where it comes from.

The latest research I saw presented at Diabetes UK suggested that between (if memory serves) 40-75% of a person‘s risk of developing T2 was genetically derived. Which seems rather at odds with your stat?

I just tried googling and still didn’t get an original source. Some sites say 90%.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutrit...es-prevention/preventing-diabetes-full-story/

I don’t think the risk is at odds with the preventable-ness?

 

[Amigo]

Sadly, from some of the comments I’m reading on here, there seems to be a barely concealed contempt for type 2’s who are seen as the product of their own neglect. As @mikeyB admitted, his pre type 1 diet wasn’t too fantastic. I wonder how many others would admit that.
This thread reveals an undercurrent of judgement I don’t need and shouldn’t be encouraged on a support site purporting to be for all people with diabetes.

 

[Amity Island]

Just wanted peoples views on this. I obviously have nothing against type 2 diabetics, but does any other type 1 diabetics hate getting put in the same bracket as type 2s. I’ve experienced this from family, people in the street, even GP or hospital staff can’t differentiate between the conditions.

Rant over!

Hi Reece,

I've never liked being put into the bracket of "diabetic".

As I became more open (instead of hiding it) about my condition as I got older, I've found some people only ever see me as diabetic and not as me. Many time people will now say, should you be eating that? Can you do that? How's your diabetes?

This doesn't stop me informing those I work closely with of my condition because it's for my own safety, but it would be nice if those around me saw beyond it. I don't need any reminders.

 

[rebrascora]

@Amigo I have freely admitted on the forum many times that my diet pre-diagnosis was bad but that it took the kick up the pants of diagnosis to get me to deal with it. Even though I was eventually diagnosed type 1 instead of type 2 I am not convinced that my diet was not a factor in me developing diabetes. I understand that it is an autoimmune condition but if my beta cells were so stressed with over producing insulin to cope with my sugar habit, then maybe that is what initiated my immune system to target them. I am not by any means saying this is the case with all Type 1s but I very strongly believe this to be the case with me. Other Type 1s seem to get quite irritated by this when I mention it on the forum, like it is OK for Type 2s to feel guilty about their diet or weight pre diagnosis but not Type 1s.
As someone else on this thread pointed out, it is what you do after diagnosis which counts.

 

[Deleted member 25429]

In a way the diagnosis of being type 1 and a very informative consultant changed the way I eat . I am now far healthier living on low carb diet . I wouldn’t wish a diagnosis of diabetes on anyone but you have to find the positives in every situation

 

[trophywench]

Well I'm old, so was born not ever so long after the end of WW2. All food was slow food freshly prepared by our mum on a daily basis and yes, we did know what day it was by what was for dinner, in the main.

If we were thirsty as kids, there was always plenty of water in the tap. One bottle of orange squash came into the house per week, between two of us so if we'd already had some that day I don't remember being able to have another. With breakfast, we got a cup of tea. After tea another one. Before bed a milky drink. A bit later a bottle of fizzy pop happened more frequently than only on holiday. We had sweets bought for us once a week (still on ration) and they all had to be absolutely equally shared. Never any spare bread - all four of us ate a cooked lunch at home and had tea when dad came home from work. Lunch and a pudding; tea B&B with jam or cheese, followed by cake.

We didn't pass a shop on the way to infant school but there was one opposite junior school that lots of kids from school went in cos they'd been given money to do so. Neither of us ever had. Very occasionally, mom treated me - nice, they sold really cheap 'knock off' crunchie bars - all knobbly with big air gaps in the honeycomb and dipped in milk choc. A real treat once in a while - if they were 3d or 4d, don't remember. Also sold fruit salad and blackjacks (4 for 1d) and refreshers - 1d apiece so we both preferred fruit salad cos they lasted us longer - ie 4 days.

Mom made cake once a week. She made jam and bottled fruit in season. Sis and I always wrote the labels cos 'you can write smaller than me!'

Then as a teenager who wanted to be a Mod, we all wanted to be thin. So less bread and more crispbreads, a bit more fruit, a bit more veg. Then I went to work and still didn't make a pig. I never did until before being diagnosed and then I was stuffing meself with Caramac and Terry's dark choc Waifa biscuits. And instead of piling weight on, I was under 8 stone for the first time since I was 12 ......

By 1987 I was over 11st and needed a size 16 - wasn't happy so comfort ate, but that made me un happier - so I stopped eating c**p, went to a very local aerobics class and lost it again.

I have want to do, whatever it is, for ME.

 

[trophywench]

PS - eldest step daughter is a classically trained chef. When I joined the family she said 'You're Type 1 aren't you?' Yes. TG for that says she - Grandma (terminal bowel cancer followed by T2 diagnosis) can't eat this that or the other but you're easy to cater for - just buy slimline pop and don't put sugar in your tea and you'll be fine. Grandkids birthdays could have been tricky but she used to say grandma won't enjoy any cake right now, cos she's eaten a lot of tea (cos she makes bostin trifle LOL) so we'll go and wrap a nice piece up for her to take home and enjoy later when her tea's gone down! Knowing full well that Grandad would eat it - cos fondant icing whatever colour it is - just is NOT to my taste!