DiABETES UK Nutritional Guidelines

[Hamrag]

I agree, there is no simple fix, However for some of us, yes we have found the answer to our path for weight loss, good blood sugar control, and improved general health. Many more people could benefit if they put in the effort! For those who have tried LCHF lifestyle and find it is not for them, or that have not tried it and believe it is rubbish, then that's fine we all make our own choices, However I just choose not to ignore the ever increasing proof of the efficacy of this approach experienced both personally and now validated by thousands of people world wide.

 

[HOBIE]

I agree, there is no simple fix, However for some of us, yes we have found the answer to our path for weight loss, good blood sugar control, and improved general health. Many more people could benefit if they put in the effort! For those who have tried LCHF lifestyle and find it is not for them, or that have not tried it and believe it is rubbish, then that's fine we all make our own choices, However I just choose not to ignore the ever increasing proof of the efficacy of this approach experienced both personally and now validated by thousands of people world wide.

Well said. Low carbs is better. I don't particularly like food.😉 Been T1 nearly ALL my life 😱

 

[Deleted member 21371]

Well said. Low carbs is better. I don't particularly like food.😉 Been T1 nearly ALL my life 😱

Well, if low carb is better if you don't like food, what can I say
Horses for courses.

 

[HOBIE]

Well, if low carb is better if you don't like food, what can I say
Horses for courses.

Big difference between T1 & T2 ? When I was a kid I had to eat 50g of carbs before going to school. Do you think that might have something to do with it ? LOW carbs is healthier. 🙂

 

[Deleted member 21371]

Big difference between T1 & T2 ? When I was a kid I had to eat 50g of carbs before going to school. Do you think that might have something to do with it ? LOW carbs is healthier. 🙂

That's a very odd statement.

 

[Hamrag]

We all have our opinions, and 'Travellor' has his. But what I would like to know is, what is the alternative to reducing Sugar intake whether T1 or T2 ? I have clearly stated my view! But no one has convinced me yet that there is another way! All I have heard is that everyone is different (acknowledged) but that statement says to me 'why bother trying'

 

[Deleted member 21371]

We all have our opinions, and 'Travellor' has his. But what I would like to know is, what is the alternative to reducing Sugar intake whether T1 or T2 ? I have clearly stated my view! But no one has convinced me yet that there is another way! All I have heard is that everyone is different (acknowledged) but that statement says to me 'why bother trying'

I don't thinks it's up to the forum to force you to change your views.
And if you are happy, why should anyone try to convince you there is another way you should be following?
It's a forum to discuss and find solutions for all, not for zealots on a mission.

But, equally, simply because the rest of the forum decides for themselves, and have found other ways that works for them, and gives good control, I don't believe you have the right to dismiss them all out of hand as simply saying it's "why bother trying" to you.
The forum is full of people that try hard, every day.
Just not to your way.

 

[HOBIE]

That's a very odd statement.

Do YOU think they are the same ? BIG no no ! T1 your pancreas does not work at all. T2 it could work 80% or 20%. Not an odd statement ?.

 

[MikeTurin]

Hi Mike, Can you expand on what you mean by relaxing the diet?

When I followed the diet strictly I was weighing everything, annotating everything.
No alchool and no icecreams
The problem is that you can do this for a limited periodo, because it's exausting. It's also difficult to do when eating with friends and impossible with collegues.


So, while I sopped to eat in an unordered manner and now I am more mindful on what I eat, and I can control diabetes, I have eaten more calories, so I gained weight.

 

[Hamrag]

I don't thinks it's up to the forum to force you to change your views.
And if you are happy, why should anyone try to convince you there is another way you should be following?
It's a forum to discuss and find solutions for all, not for zealots on a mission.

But, equally, simply because the rest of the forum decides for themselves, and have found other ways that works for them, and gives good control, I don't believe you have the right to dismiss them all out of hand as simply saying it's "why bother trying" to you.
The forum is full of people that try hard, every day.
Just not to your way.

I am not trying to force anyone to change their views! and I am not asking anyone to convince me that their is another way I should be following! I simply have not been shown any other way( Quote "But, equally, simply because the rest of the forum decides for themselves, and have found other ways that works for them, and gives good control", What other ways?- that works as well as or any better than LCHF. (A solution) And as for being a zealot on a mission, rather that than being an ostrich! The End.

 

[HOBIE]

I have Two mates of mine OFF all there T2 meds.I used to be on insulin. Now Off. Because of what they put in there insides. I know what I would love to be able to do after a lifetime of T1 😉

 

[Hamrag]

If you go back to the beginning of this Blogg you will see that it started out as a discussion about Diabetes uk and the recommended Nutritional guidelines for people with T1andT2 and if you look at 'DeuxXM'S' Post you will see that he de constructed the Guidelines! Makes interesting reading.

 

[Hamrag]

The link to NHS Dietary Guidelines below is a critique of the good and the bad when it comes to T2 Diabetes

 

[Robin]

Source?
(I agree with much of what it says, I’d just like to know who has produced it).

I think the major reason why everyone tiptoes round this subject, is that because the NHS is still recommending the starchy carbs route, and this is what a lot of people have come away from their doctors with, nobody wants to say outright 'your doctor is wrong' in case a dogmatic approach which contradicts the NHS frightens people away. (Also, as we have seen on this thread, there is a huge variation in the amount of carbs different people can tolerate, some report doing well on 100, others have gone for 50, etc). So we tend to take the 'test, and eat to your meter' approach, and hope the penny will drop.

 

[Ljc]

The link to NHS Dietary Guidelines below is a critique of the good and the bad when it comes to T2 Diabetes

I too agree of much of what it says , I tend to follow the advise I was first given at my dx back in the 90s by the hospital diabetes clinic , which was to reduce carbs.

I’ve read on here of people who follow Keto, Paleo, 5-2 , blood sugar diet etc.
I know many on here follow LCHF. I follow MCNF (moderate carb normal fats) I try to keep to under 100 carbs a day and avoid things that are not naturally low fat, so butter , cream, cheese etc is on my menu I just don’t go overboard on fats.
Imo it’s whatever works best for the person so long as it’s not too restrictive

 

[Matt Cycle]

Source?
(I agree with much of what it says, I’d just like to know who has produced it).

From the links it appears to be a .co.uk production and we all know what their agenda is. £30 to join the program (sic) anyone?

 

[Deleted member 21371]

From the links it appears to be a .co.uk production and we all know what their agenda is. £30 to join the program (sic) anyone?

I always think of Highlander.

"There can be only one"

Not for me.

That's why I like this site, it has a balanced viewpoint, it kicks the zealots into touch, and the mods don't ban any other opinion.

 

[Hamrag]

I too agree of much of what it says , I tend to follow the advise I was first given at my dx back in the 90s by the hospital diabetes clinic , which was to reduce carbs.

I’ve read on here of people who follow Keto, Paleo, 5-2 , blood sugar diet etc.
I know many on here follow LCHF. I follow MCNF (moderate carb normal fats) I try to keep to under 100 carbs a day and avoid things that are not naturally low fat, so butter , cream, cheese etc is on my menu I just don’t go overboard on fats.
Imo it’s whatever works best for the person so long as it’s not too restrictive

At Last someone who is willing to share what works for them as a T2 Moderate low carbs and natural fats.

 

[Hamrag]

I always think of Highlander.

"There can be only one"

Not for me.

That's why I like this site, it has a balanced viewpoint, it kicks the zealots into touch, and the mods don't ban any other opinion.

Zealots as you term Them/ Me! It is just another opinion ( one you are clearly at odds with) and If you take the time to understand what I have written In my previous posts you will see that I am asking about these other opinions, and so who is trying to Ban them!?

 

[Deleted member 21371]

Zealots as you term Them/ Me! It is just another opinion ( one you are clearly at odds with) and If you take the time to understand what I have written In my previous posts you will see that I am asking about these other opinions, and so who is trying to Ban them!?

I never said you were.

But I do suggest you read what you have written above.
"MCNF, moderate carbs normal fats", was the reply to you.
And your spin somehow needs to be "moderate low carbs natural fats"

Just saying.