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George Foreman We Love You

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Oh goody lard!!!!!! My favourite. I think I might boil up a pound or three and have myself a ketonic smelly breath party 😱
 
George Foreman grills are great. If you lived nearer to me Id drop you round the occasional home cooked meal. I always end up cooking too much and my freezer has loads of frozen chilli and bolognese in it!
 
Mmmmmm......

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Stitch147 said:
George Foreman grills are great. If you lived nearer to me Id drop you round the occasional home cooked meal. I always end up cooking too much and my freezer has loads of frozen chilli and bolognese in it!
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Awwwwwwww Stitch that's the nicest thing anybody has said to me in ages. Thank you ever so much 🙂
 
Matt Cycle said:
Get yourself some quorn steaks 🙂:

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Have a plant protein based diet and live longer (and you might be around when the cure is found). :D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-36942221
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Let me work this out, eat quorn and live for what feels like ages because it makes you totally miserable as it tastes like reformed toilet roll (yes it does cos I've tried the filthy stuff). Alternatively eat steak, drink wine laugh a lot and die 7 years younger? I'll have carnations please if you are gonna have a whip round 😉
 
DeusXM said:
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Deusy I possibly wouldn't get quite so hung up about meat that appears to have a lot more fat actually having masses more. The vast majority of red meat, excluding rabbit and a few others has a very high fat content. There will of course be slight variations from steak to steak but I really would not like to have to live on the difference. There is a popular misconception that because meat appears to be visibly leaner as in the steaks that you show above that it has little or no fat. This can be wildly inaccurate. Have a look at this article from the MEN'S FITNESS WEBSITE . The T bone contains 25g of fat, 10.5g of this is saturated. Even when trimmed of the crappy stuff around the edges it may look quite healthy but sadly it ain't😱
 
Diabeticliberty said:
Deusy I possibly wouldn't get quite so hung up about meat that appears to have a lot more fat actually having masses more. The vast majority of red meat, excluding rabbit and a few others has a very high fat content. There will of course be slight variations from steak to steak but I really would not like to have to live on the difference. There is a popular misconception that because meat appears to be visibly leaner as in the steaks that you show above that it has little or no fat. This can be wildly inaccurate. Have a look at this article from the MEN'S FITNESS WEBSITE . The T bone contains 25g of fat, 10.5g of this is saturated. Even when trimmed of the crappy stuff around the edges it may look quite healthy but sadly it ain't😱
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I think you've missed my point, I'm telling you that fat is healthy and good for you and shouldn't be avoided. Something like 60% of my calories per day come from fat. I wouldn't dream of picking a steak which had the fat trimmed off. It's the only macronutrient that doesn't affect your blood sugar.
 
My dietician tells me that eating fat increases insulin resistance. Is she wrong?
This was in the context of my explaining how a virtually zero carb lunch could not be eaten during basal tests as the protein raises my blood sugar. She implied it was the fat causing the problem.
 
Radders said:
My dietician tells me that eating fat increases insulin resistance. Is she wrong?
This was in the context of my explaining how a virtually zero carb lunch could not be eaten during basal tests as the protein raises my blood sugar. She implied it was the fat causing the problem.
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It is the protein that raises the blood sugar, so shouldnt be eaten during a basal test.
However, I was also under the impression that fat raises insulin resistance (and hence indirectly blood sugar) - this does seem to be the case for me! So you shouldnt eat fat either (during a basal test). If you absolutely have to eat something, a shredded lettuce leaf and a couple of sliced mushrooms, perhaps?
 
I'm with Deus on this one. A fat free diet is unpalatable. And unhealthy. Where do you get your fat soluble vitamins?
 
DeusXM said:
I think you've missed my point, I'm telling you that fat is healthy and good for you and shouldn't be avoided. Something like 60% of my calories per day come from fat. I wouldn't dream of picking a steak which had the fat trimmed off. It's the only macronutrient that doesn't affect your blood sugar.
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I am not at all missing your point. You choose to consume an abundance of fat and you feel that it is healthy and good for you. Munch away to your hearts content or more worryingly discontent. Stick with it and be happy . For my own part I choose to avoid fat as much as I am able and attempt for a diet balanced between carbohydrate, protein, fat and vitamins. This makes me happy too. My GP feels that my diabetic control could not be improved upon although suggests that I am a little bit obsessed with micro management of my own blood sugars. This makes me very happy. When I explain my reasons for this he usually accepts my point of view. My doctor is then happy 🙂
 
My doctor is very unhappy - not least because, as I said, my trigs (which are the markers for heart disease) are lower than those of someone without diabetes and my HDL/LDL cholesterol ratio is better than average, which means he ends up in a very awkward place where he tries to tell me my heart is at risk when all the numbers prove that I'm probably less at risk than the general population.

The evidence linking fat intake with heart disease is surprisingly flimsy, and that's being charitable.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/07/the-sugar-conspiracy-robert-lustig-john-yudkin

In 2008, researchers from Oxford University undertook a Europe-wide study of the causes of heart disease. Its data shows an inverse correlation between saturated fat and heart disease, across the continent. France, the country with the highest intake of saturated fat, has the lowest rate of heart disease; Ukraine, the country with the lowest intake of saturated fat, has the highest. When the British obesity researcher Zoë Harcombe performed an analysis of the data on cholesterol levels for 192 countries around the world, she found that lower cholesterol correlated with higher rates of death from heart disease.
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The UN’s Food and Agriculture Organisation, in a 2008 analysis of all studies of the low-fat diet, found “no probable or convincing evidence” that a high level of dietary fat causes heart disease or cancer. Another landmark review, published in 2010, in the American Society for Nutrition, and authored by, among others, Ronald Krauss, a highly respected researcher and physician at the University of California, stated “there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD [coronary heart disease and cardiovascular disease]”.
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As I have already stated if gorging your little chops on stodgy fat stuff makes you as content as you claim at every conceivable opportunity then fill your proverbial boots. For my own part I have already made it abundantly clear that it isn't really for me. Having you hold my nose and force me with it is unlikely to make it any more palatable to me. I suspect your doctor must rub his hands with glee at the very prospect of your next appointment with him. I look forward to reading your next article in The Lancet 😉
 
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As I have already stated if gorging your little chops on stodgy fat stuff makes you as content as you claim at every conceivable opportunity then fill your proverbial boots. For my own part I have already made it abundantly clear that it isn't really for me. Having you hold my nose and force me with it is unlikely to make it any more palatable to me. I suspect your doctor must rub his hands with glee at the very prospect of your next appointment with him. I look forward to reading your next article in The Lancet 😉
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You're not easily persuaded by the facts are you? 😉 (I'm still trying to convince him that Jeremy Corbyn will make a fine PM and Trident is a worthless heap of junk 😉)
 
Northerner said:
You're not easily persuaded by the facts are you? 😉 (I'm still trying to convince him that Jeremy Corbyn will make a fine PM and Trident is a worthless heap of junk 😉)
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Expressing a personal choice as to what I eat and do not eat is not a case for being convinced for or against anything. It is purely that, a personal choice. I choose to reduce my fat intake as the vast majority of the population also choose to do. I have come to no harm from this in fact that I am positively thriving. I do tire as I suspect some of the rest of us do on here of reading how a high fat diet will cure my ingrowing toenails and make my very small indifference a good deal larger and more appealing to members of the opposite sex.

As regards Corbyn and Trident? I am feeling unusually charitable today so will offer to compromise at least half way. Let's agree that Corbyn is a worthless heap of junk. I am fairly sure though that he doesn't eat a fatty diet either.
 
Ah, but I'm not challenging your personal choice - eat what you like. I'm just taking issue with you describing my particular choice as apparently bad for my heart, when both the firsthand evidence (my numbers) and the secondary research (the wider studies) strongly say otherwise. The vast majority of the population may indeed choose to reduce their fat intake, but if you read the article I posted, you'd see that's almost entirely based on suspect studies that were given undue credence in public policy 40 years ago.

My position has always been people should eat whatever they like, provided it delivers the blood sugar and other health goals they require, and that any claims they make about diets be factually accurate. If you want to describe fat as unhealthy, or talk about my heart's discontent, don't be surprised about having that inaccuracy challenged! 🙂
 
DeusXM said:
My position has always been people should eat whatever they like, provided it delivers the blood sugar and other health goals they require, and that any claims they make about diets be factually accurate. If you want to describe fat as unhealthy, or talk about my heart's discontent, don't be surprised about having that inaccuracy challenged! 🙂
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Well said Deus.....
It's more about a sustainable Way of Eating that works for a particular person than any specific diet, I have a freezer & pantry full of so called "diet" foods beloved by my better half yet they are just not working for her. Myself, I tried the so called healthy diet promoted by the establishment & now I have diabetes; guess it didn't work for me!!!!
 
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