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Diabetes Genealogy

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Lucy - if your Mum's Memory is not good could you ask her if she has any certificates at home that you could look through - the names on them may jog her memory.

She may also have letters, old address books that will give you names - and although you won't initially know where they fit - they may start to fall in place.

There are registers for those adopted after 1927 - though I don't know how to access them. Adoptions before that date were not recorded they were an informal arrangement and some people took the names of the family who adopted them but that was not always the case.

When using electronic records beware that not all records have been transcribed. I have come across many instances were people have linked some of my ancestors to the wrong tree simply because they have found someone elses online tree who have done the same. In one case it really stands out as you jump half way across the country which could be valid but in this case isn't as I have seen the local records.

Mis spellings of names can be a nightmare - with Irish names O and Mc are added and dropped at will.

There are other sites you can try

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/

it links to many other sites which provide transcriptions such as

www.lancashirebmd.org.uk

This site is slowly transcribing the local reference to Births Marriages & Deaths. All Liverpool marriages from 1875 to 1935 have been included. (Those in Bootle are not on the list).
More than one year can be selected using the mouse and dragging downwards over the years.
If an * occurs then that indicates uncertainty over one or both surnames - sometimes due to a previous marriage.
For marriages in the Anglican Church - the church the marriage took place is given and then providing the church has been filmed by Liverpool record office at central library -a copy can be obtained in the library via a reader-printer.
The entry is the same that can be obtained from the Cotton Exchange or from Southport - but they will send a new certificate and it will cost several pounds.
Marriages that say registry office or registrar attended may have taken place in a church and could be associated with a Catholic, Methodist etc marriage.

Then there is

www.familysearch.org

Site created by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. It contains a transcription of the 1881 census which allows easy navigation from one house to the next.

The International Genealogical Index (IGI) contains details of Baptisms marriages and deaths that members of the church have recorded whilst researching their ancestors as part of their beliefs in saving souls. Not all parishes have been transcribed. If a reference is found then the actual entry in the church records can be accessed at the local record office - the entry sometimes contains additional information but sometimes there is no additional information. Some Catholic records have been transcribed as per the registers where the names have been entered as their Latin equivalent.

For Scottish Records the main site available is

www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

A pay for view site run by the government

Contains all the Scottish census data, Some Births Marriages & Deaths. Access to the Scottish Old Parish Records is available for pre registration data.

This site allows the actual entry in the registers to be downloaded - which is considerably cheaper than ordering the certificates.

Scottish certificates contain more information than the English & Welsh equivalents
Wedding certificates contain the christian and maiden names of the mothers. Where the mother had been widowed and remarried all previous surnames can be found.
Birth certificates list the date and place of the parents wedding as well as all the usual info.
Death certificates contain information on the deceased’s parents and their mother’s maiden name.

There is also

www.cwgc.org

Lists the war dead - gives their regiments where they are buried or memorialised (where the body was never found - ship sunk or not possible to identify). Pictures of the war cemeteries are on the site. The next of kin of the deceased and normally their address is also given.

I wrote a lot of the above some time back so the sites may have more on them now.

Other things to be aware of - sometimes people are known by their middle names so the name you are looking for may be wrong.

In Catholic families middle names may have been added at confirmation and so although on death certificates may not be on the birth certificates.
 
My dad died last year - he had Type two but it was not mentioned on his cert - so how will people know in the future? Its not always the direct cause of death:confused:
 
I had no idea so many of us have been working away at discovering our ancestors :D

Be careful using the IGI, some of the data has been entered by individuals from the Mormon church, and it's in their interests to research their own family tree as far back as possible, as they have some kind of ceremony to "baptise" their ancestors so they can be saved (well, something along those lines anyway) so the data is fairly shaky sometimes. It will say at the bottom of a page whether it's part of a parish record or an individual's "research".

I'm looking forward to the census too, it'll be the 2nd I've done. I've since married the boyfriend I was staying with on the last census night... :D
 
I had no idea so many of us have been working away at discovering our ancestors :D

Be careful using the IGI, some of the data has been entered by individuals from the Mormon church, and it's in their interests to research their own family tree as far back as possible, as they have some kind of ceremony to "baptise" their ancestors so they can be saved (well, something along those lines anyway) so the data is fairly shaky sometimes. It will say at the bottom of a page whether it's part of a parish record or an individual's "research".

I'm looking forward to the census too, it'll be the 2nd I've done. I've since married the boyfriend I was staying with on the last census night... :D

I tend to only look at the parish baptisms - then look them up but it is a large database.

The ceremony you refer to is baptism of the dead.

I can't get much further with many of my lines as many lead to Ireland and because so many records have been destroyed you have to rely on the parish records - and if you don't know the parish you are stuck.

My husbands Granddad was informally adopted - fortunately on the 1901 census it had his original name and was listed as the adopted son of the person he had as his father on his marriage cert. The birth certificate in the first name tied in withe the birth details on the death cert. The adopted father had been the lodger of his parents 10 years earlier. His mother died when he was a baby and his father remarried and was then widowed again. Not sure when he was taken in. The trail goes cold though as both his parents were German and I don't know where in Germany they were from.

On my Dad's side the family name completely changed - it happened in Scotland and because of the details in the Scottish records I can prove it happened - but don't know why or which was the real name. ie the family may have changed it when they arrived from Ireland and then reverted later on - so with that line I have two possible names to look at and verify.

Oh another route for information is newspaper obituaries. If you know when someone died you can look up the local paper for around that date - and you sometimes get a whole raft of family names.
 
This is tremendous stuff - thank you to everyone for posting such great information 🙂
 
I had no idea so many of us have been working away at discovering our ancestors :D

I'm looking forward to the census too, it'll be the 2nd I've done. I've since married the boyfriend I was staying with on the last census night... :D

Yes Im looking forward to it as well. I hope that one day when my decendants are researching me they find me this way so I shall enjoy filling it out with as much info as Im allowed!

At the National Archives I noticed you can search your ancesters by professions such as nursing and nursing registers from when nurses were registered to hospitals...being a nurse I find this quite exciting as I know I will be tracable through another formal register.

Also I found rather useful is tracing back through an address/a particular house....through a probate record for my GF it stated what address he lived at, but that he died next door. Tracing the neighbours address I found links to GGF and GGGF. If he hadnt have gone next door and died it might have taken me goodness knows how long to pick up the trail again!

I bought the "Who do you think you are" 2 hardback books (a good discount price on Amazon). Unfortunately I have exhasted them. I personally feel the internet has now far exceeded most of the conventional methods of researching, but a good read all the same.

(Besides, it certainly seems you guys are a far better source of information, thanks!)
 
I first got started when I found out about an old family bible from the 19th century that had got half a dozen generations in. I then looked on familysearch.org and they were all entered on there from the parish register, so I got all the spouses, baptisms and deaths.
It helped that they were all in the same village for about 200 years. It gets complicated once the railways arrived and they start to scatter.

As said, it is a detective trail and you do get hooked but I've enjoyed going sideways through spouses' families, etc when I get stuck for gaoing further back. I also posted on a genealogy forum and found a long lost relative who was descended from my dad's GGgrandad via a separate line. She gave me a lot of extra info. So it's quite a social thing too ! 🙂

Rob
 
I first got started when I found out about an old family bible from the 19th century that had got half a dozen generations in. I then looked on familysearch.org and they were all entered on there from the parish register, so I got all the spouses, baptisms and deaths.
It helped that they were all in the same village for about 200 years. It gets complicated once the railways arrived and they start to scatter.

As said, it is a detective trail and you do get hooked but I've enjoyed going sideways through spouses' families, etc when I get stuck for gaoing further back. I also posted on a genealogy forum and found a long lost relative who was descended from my dad's GGgrandad via a separate line. She gave me a lot of extra info. So it's quite a social thing too ! 🙂

Rob

I would suggest you take a look at the actual parish records - they will either still be at the church or in a local record office. You can often (though not always) find additional information in the records such as the father's occupation and an address. The info on family search may also have some transcription errors.
 
It's something I need to get back into when I've got nothing else to distract.

As time goes on, the access to records generally becomes better and all the places are a long way away and far apart. It would need to be a specific trip for each one.

As you say, there are many transcription errors on familysearch and some of it is guessed at in order to bridge certain gaps in peoples' histories. I've made leaps of faith myself but if the evidence doesn't materialise, I go back to the start and try another tack. I'm still missing some fairly major players in the tree but they must be out there somewhere ! :D

Rob
 
This whole thread has made me curious enought to question wether my GF early death aged 49 (my dads -who also has Type 1 - dads) was pneumonia or wether there are any other clues.

The price of my curiosity just cost me ?22.99 for a copy of his death cert! I shall know in 16 days. Although I already know a fair bit about that line in the family now, I hadnt ever considered tracing the diabetes side of things.....

....I may be going off on a whole new tangent now!
 
Even though I got my ancestory has been done it was done by my BIL, I would love to research Les's family so if you could only afford one research site, which one would people reccommend as being the most usefull to start with?
 
I would recommend Ancestry, although some of the others are cheaper it tends to have a better search engine. Ancestry does currently lack a properly indexed and complete 1911 census mind you, although I'd be happy to do 1911 lookups for anyone who needs them.

Findmypast is cheaper and the presentation of the census results is better than ancestry, however the birth/death/marriage search results are not completely searchable.

The one thing I would say is, don't buy certificates through ancestry - use the reference and get them directly from the General Record Office - it's much cheaper!
 
Even though I got my ancestory has been done it was done by my BIL, I would love to research Les's family so if you could only afford one research site, which one would people reccommend as being the most usefull to start with?

What area of the country will you be researching ? I know you could end up anywhere but it might help.

I would sort out what information I already had and what gaps there are. I would do this before registering. Ancestry will give you 14 days trial - so if you have the time and are organised you may be able to get the information you want in that time. Ancestry are adding parish records all the time - but some areas of the country are covered much better than others.

Ancestry have different subscription rates - you can have just UK records or you can go for worldwide records ( I have that as I have relatives all over the place).

If you want genealogy software - there is My Heritage - which is free to download but is not compatible with an apple. It does have a feature which is a little scary - as it continually checks the data you update with trees published on line. You don't have to publish on line and you can restrict access so that others cannot see it. If it finds matches it will tell you and you can view the other tree (assuming the owner has granted permission). There are other out there too.

Ancestry lets you build an online tree - but be careful with the access settings unless you want everyone else to be able to access it.

All sites with online trees are meant to not show details of living people - but I have seen cases where the software has not worked.

Which area of the country will your research be starting ? Many areas have local history societies which may have transcribed images to parish records church graveyards etc.
 
Mainly Somerset/Devon and South Wales...

I know it isn't going to be easy as Les know next to nothing about his family (they never really discuss past family members) and even though he sort of wants to do it, but not if it's not going to be difficult or very expensive!

But we have a photograph of one of his great-grandad in w1 uniform, I really want to put a full name to the face and find more about him... Does this face have a story to tell, was he a brave hero that survived many battles fields or was he the quarter master left behind at Southhampton dock stores!
 
I have traced my family tree, but not looked for diabetes as such. So it was a surprise to find on the death cert of my maternal GG Grandfather that diabetes was the primary cause of death, aged 44 - which I would think would have been type 1, given his age and that is was the cause of death. He was in the workhouse too, poor bloke.

Mind you, I did this when it was still ?7 for the certs, not done much recently...can't afford it!

Hi Cate,

Sorry, just reading back through the thread again- this is facinating! I take it this is one of the certs that you have a copy of? Did it give you any further information? My understanding is it didnt really start to appear as a certifiable cause of death until mid to late 1800's and appearing as such on certs until about that time, even though the term has been around for much longer. I'm curious to know the approximate year of the death of your GGGF, its really interesting. Especially as we even see now, the prevalence of Type 1 presenting in an older population later than ever before, so back then to see a death at age 44 must have been considered unusual? I'm gripped 😉

BTW....I wish the certs were still ?7! Lets start a campaign! 🙂
 
What do you use to record your tree on/draw your tree? Do you just use a large piece of paper or a package? Sorry if thick question. You are getting me very interested in getting started.
 
I would imagine that diabetes is unlikely to be seen as a cause of death unless it was T1 early in life (wasting away, etc) because T2 symptoms would be presumably put down to secondary problems such as infections and heart disease, etc

I think there are websites that show instances of different diseases and causes of death. Might be worth a google search if you have a spare hour or two ! :D

Rob
 
What do you use to record your tree on/draw your tree? Do you just use a large piece of paper or a package? Sorry if thick question. You are getting me very interested in getting started.
We are using the Ancestry website to record and have a copy of family tree maker (which is junk btw). Some of my friends use ABC Flowcharter and MS Visio.

I've also got a copy of GRAMPS which I use to filter the gedcom file from Ancestry and generate a website that I share with my family.

It's difficult to draw it all on a large piece of paper as you soon find people you were not expecting and have to somehow fit them in. Of course it depends if you just want to look at direct ancestors or if you want to widen the tree to cover cousins, uncles, etc.
 
This whole thread has made me curious enought to question wether my GF early death aged 49 (my dads -who also has Type 1 - dads) was pneumonia or wether there are any other clues.

The price of my curiosity just cost me ?22.99 for a copy of his death cert! I shall know in 16 days. Although I already know a fair bit about that line in the family now, I hadnt ever considered tracing the diabetes side of things.....

....I may be going off on a whole new tangent now!

I am confused by the amount you have paid for the death certificate, the costs don't seem to line up with those on the GRO website.

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/fees.asp

Maybe you have ordered from a company who is then ordering from the GRO.
 
We are using the Ancestry website to record and have a copy of family tree maker (which is junk btw). Some of my friends use ABC Flowcharter and MS Visio.

I've also got a copy of GRAMPS which I use to filter the gedcom file from Ancestry and generate a website that I share with my family.

It's difficult to draw it all on a large piece of paper as you soon find people you were not expecting and have to somehow fit them in. Of course it depends if you just want to look at direct ancestors or if you want to widen the tree to cover cousins, uncles, etc.

Thanks for the reply Mark - much appreciated.🙂
 
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