A Type 1 diabetic being put in the same bracket as type 2.

[Robin]

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

But we aren’t 'doing nothing'here, are we. It has provoked a response and a variety of explanations and illustrations as to why the original view expressed is erroneous. If I expressed an opinion on here which was wrong, I’d rather it provoked debate, and led to my understanding of where I was wrong, than it just got deleted and left me wondering why.

 

[Andy]

I think the line "I obviously have nothing against Type 2 diabetics" is the crux of this post!!!!

 

[Spozkins]

I'm only offended by people who chose to willingly abuse their bodies as if they're immortal. My diabetes was out of my control and many health problems are. So if a person has T1, T2 or no disease at all and treat their body like rubbish I'm offended.

However, to each his own right. It would be nice if the general population knew more about diabetes and different types but it appears through research we now know there are way more types than just 1 and 2 and that actually the onset and diagnosis is far more complex than any of us knew.

 

[Deleted member 25429]

Just wanted peoples views on this. I obviously have nothing against type 2 diabetics, but does any other type 1 diabetics hate getting put in the same bracket as type 2s. I’ve experienced this from family, people in the street, even GP or hospital staff can’t differentiate between the conditions.

Rant over!

My GP surgery told me I was no longer diabetic as my hba1c was too low ... I’m type 1 .

 

[Deleted member 25429]

What I can’t understand is anyone whether they be type 1 or 2 not taking ownership of it . I am talking about adults obviously

 

[ukjohn]

Because type 1s, we had no choice, just need 2 lots of insulin to keep us alive, I don’t think we are in the same boat unfortunately.

As I stated unless you missed it that I am type 2 and been on 2 lots of insulin since being diagnosed, do you think that I had NO choice, or do you think I take it for fun.

 

[Kaylz]

Before you were diagnosed were you all clued up about the different types? What causes each Type? Probably not so might you not have had the same thinking of what people may think about you?

Not all Type 2's have a choice like @ukjohn and many others who have tried their best but still end up on insulin at some point in their journey, it isn't always caused by a bad lifestyle before diagnosis, women who have had gestational diabetes are more prone to go on to develop Type 2 for one

I just explain the differences should the questions be asked

 

[Bloden]

Before you were diagnosed were you all clued up about the different types? What causes each Type? Probably not so might you not have had the same thinking of what people may think about you?

When a friend’s daughter was being treated for anorexia, as a group of mates we all googled the condition (so we could be supportive and not put both feet in it!) and every single one of us was amazed that what we thought was true wasn’t and vice versa. So, give the lay person a break. I’m an ‘expert’ in my condition because I’ve got it. And I know a little more about anorexia cos my friend’s kid had it - she’s doing really well now, btw.🙂

 

[Matchless]

just out of interest do type 2 diabetics have bad hypos and hypo comas which i have had twice before i went on a pump here in france ?

 

[SueEK]

I am one of many life long slim people who happen to have been diagnosed T2. It is very frustrating when T2 is referred to as a fat persons self-induced condition. I have had conversations with numerous people who believe I have lost loads of weight as I was obviously an overweight slob stuffing myself with cakes and biscuits all my life - wrong. As we are ALL diabetics we should treat each other with respect. I would not want to have the problems T1s have with calculating and injections, the highs and more importantly the lows. However as a T2 we have no option but to consider every mouthful we eat, we cannot bolus for a treat, whether it be often or occasionally. Let’s just accept we are who we are and are all doing our best to cope with whichever type we have. Most of us have other conditions too and we would respect the difficulties faced because of those and let’s be honest some of them are a lot worse than having diabetes. Be kind 🙂

 

[Kaylz]

just out of interest do type 2 diabetics have bad hypos and hypo comas which i have had twice before i went on a pump here in france ?

if they were on a hypo causing medication then yes I would assume they could xx

 

[Kaylz]

@Bloden but you get my point? Most of us had little knowledge before being diagnosed so we can't expect muggles to know and have to educate them if they want to know! LOL

Glad to hear your friends kid is doing well, as you know I know how difficult recovery from an eating disorder is so good on her! 🙂 xx

 

[Kaylz]

As I stated unless you missed it that I am type 2 and been on 2 lots of insulin since being diagnosed, do you think that I had NO choice, or do you think I take it for fun.-

Ah John you'd do fine without it, you've got a choice 🙄 (kidding of course!) xx

 

[Drummer]

I don't need medication - I could have done without the half a century of people hammering on about how healthy carbs are and how wrong I was to protest that it made me feel awful if I followed the standard diet sheet advice on what to eat.

 

[Andy]

I am the same as Ukjohn, from day one of diagnosis many years ago have been injecting two types of insulin as a ex military normal weight type 2!!!!! I sometimes get annoyed as being referred to as a type one (joke but understand the inference).

 

[Bloden]

@Bloden but you get my point? Most of us had little knowledge before being diagnosed so we can't expect muggles to know and have to educate them if they want to know! LOL

Yeah! 🙂 That’s exactly what I’m saying. Until you have direct experience of something, you’ll probably have the wrong end of the stick (because of a lack of accurate info in the press, eg).

Here, here @SueEK!

 

[mikeyB]

It’s worth noting that Type 3c diabetes ( treated as Type 1, or at least should be) is now more common than T1. It is due to pancreatic destruction due to factors other than autoimmune factors. The commonest of these is chronic pancreatitis, which in some cases follows one or more episodes of acute pancreatitis caused by alcohol.

I’ve got chronic pancreatitis not due to alcohol, probably an association with ulcerative colitis or it’s treatment. More common in women is gallstones blocking the pancreatic duct, and surgery to treat non malignant tumours of the pancreas. I was T1 years before CP developed.

3c brings its own problems, by far the worst being the assumption by doctors that it’s T2 by reasons of age. The other is explaining how you got it, far more complex than a run of the mill T1, so vanilla T1s have it easy.

Most of you are clueless how Creon can interfere with how quick food is absorbed by the body, and indeed how variable it is. If you are wondering where all these 3c folk are, they are legion on the Pancreatitis forum, but diabetes is not discussed very much, nowhere near as much as pain and symptom relief.

So there you are; the commonest form of insulin dependent diabetes isn’t T1. It’s 3c. It’s still all replacement therapy, but with the bonus of having to replace digestive enzymes (the main job of the pancreas) as well as the secondary function of insulin production.

Now where were we up to in the discussion about T1s and T2s? Bit parochial, even exclusive. Shame on you.😉

 

[AndBreathe]

@Reece Sargent - To be honest, we can all bore the pants off the general public about our particular brand of diabetes, but I would think most of them are more concerned that they can't get into their spring clothing, or Little Jimmy is a bit withdrawn these days, or that their spouse is drinking a bit too much, or their job is on rocky ground, or keeping up with the mortgage is a nightmare, or their gallbladder/varicose veins/back pain is getting to them, and nobody understands.

Of course, those are just totally random examples, but people usually have enough pressing matters in their own lives to get too interested in others' problems.

We all have frustrating things in our lives, but I'll use my better judgement than to help you understand mine.

 

[Amigo]

It’s worth noting that Type 3c diabetes ( treated as Type 1, or at least should be) is now more common than T1. It is due to pancreatic destruction due to factors other than autoimmune factors. The commonest of these is chronic pancreatitis, which in some cases follows one or more episodes of acute pancreatitis caused by alcohol.

I’ve got chronic pancreatitis not due to alcohol, probably an association with ulcerative colitis or it’s treatment. More common in women is gallstones blocking the pancreatic duct, and surgery to treat non malignant tumours of the pancreas. I was T1 years before CP developed.

3c brings its own problems, by far the worst being the assumption by doctors that it’s T2 by reasons of age. The other is explaining how you got it, far more complex than a run of the mill T1, so vanilla T1s have it easy.

Most of you are clueless how Creon can interfere with how quick food is absorbed by the body, and indeed how variable it is. If you are wondering where all these 3c folk are, they are legion on the Pancreatitis forum, but diabetes is not discussed very much, nowhere near as much as pain and symptom relief.

So there you are; the commonest form of insulin dependent diabetes isn’t T1. It’s 3c. It’s still all replacement therapy, but with the bonus of having to replace digestive enzymes (the main job of the pancreas) as well as the secondary function of insulin production.

Now where were we up to in the discussion about T1s and T2s? Bit parochial, even exclusive. Shame on you.😉

This was my experience Mike. Acute episodes of agonising pancreatitis (non alcohol related) due to a stone lodged in the bile duct. I needed my gallbladder removing. They expected me to emerge from the experience diabetic but it took some years (and blood cancer) for type 2 to develop.

 

[everydayupsanddowns]

One of my reasons for joining this forum was the “we’re all in the same boat” ethos. I still think that. I don’t think I’m special because I’m T1. My diet and lifestyle were just as shabby as any T2 before diagnosis.

Yes, I have to clarify that I am T1 if I ever tell folk I’ve got diabetes, but that is peanuts compared to explaining why I can hardly walk because I’ve got one of the rarest neurological conditions there is.

As @Pumper_Sue says, it’s a chance for a bit of education. And inducing an apology😉

Well said @mikeyB - Couldnt agree more!

It wasn’t long after joining forums (over a decade ago) that i realised as a T1 I was basically cheating with insulin, and could more or less carry in as normal, and just how much I had to leard from those for whom what they ate was their front-line weapon for BG jugging