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New chap, somewhat bewildered

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Bombardier

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So…diagnosed with T2 yesterday afternoon. Also being treated with obinutuzumab and venetoclax for chronic lymphocytic leukaemia (CLL). The obinutuzumab requires steroid pre treatment; I suspect that the steroids shoved me along! Upon mentioning my symptoms to a nurse (after infusion, terrible thirst, up all night peeing), she checked my blood glucose…and, it was 20.1! Ketones were 0.1. Four days later, it was down to 12 tonight. Doctor has prescribed metformin to start with. Along with everything else going wrong, all I needed!

I am an ex soldier, PTI. I’ve run 26 marathons, dozens of halves, loads of really mental endurance training when younger. Even worked in health and wellness as senior NHS manager. Sadly though, back injuries slowed me down and I gained weight, particularly over the last two years. Taxi driving did not help! The pandemic just seemed to cause me trouble…I had lumbar decompression surgery last June, then months of rehab, and not that active. Too much tea and chocolate digestives! Last Christmas saw my CLL kick off, so started treatment…just glad the nurse was on the ball, bless.
 
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Firstly welcome to the forum.
Secondly thank you for your service.
Thirdly, that’s a lot to be dealing with all at once but there’s hope as the CLL doesn’t mean you can’t get the diabetes under control.

How long ago were you diagnosed with CLL and how recently did the diabetes symptoms arrive?

What dose of metformin are you on and how are you coping with it so far?

Has anyone given you dietary advice for the diabetes taking into consideration the CLL?

You’re probably aware but Bloodwise offer great support for those diagnosed with CLL so may well be worth looking into for support in addition to us here.

Do you have any specific questions or issues which immediately come to mind? If you do then ask away! Nothing is a stupid question and nothing is off limits either!
 
Welcome @Bombardier 🙂 It sounds like you’re coping with a lot. Do ask whatever you want here. You could also click the orange Learning Zone tab at the top of this page and take a look.
 
A very warm welcome to the forum @Bombardier

Gosh, what a lot you have had shoved on your plate of late. One thing on top of another!

Will your steroid use come and go with your leukaemia? (apologies for my complete ignorance on the subject).

Steroids are well known for elevating blood glucose, as can illness, injury, and recovery, so it may be that your system needs additional help around the steroid use as and when that happens.

Metformin doesn’t work directly on reducing blood glucose levels, it works by increasing insulin sensitivity alongside reducing the amount of glucose trickled out by the liver to keep things ticking over 24hrs a day.

Weight loss can also help improve insulin sensitivity, as can light or moderate exercise, along with improving glucose uptake - so even if your historic past endurance events feel a bit out of reach, don’t be put off finding whatever activities, exercise or even just brisk walking works for you now.

And great to hear you have an on-the-ball nurse. Worth their weight in gold!
 
Hi and welcome.

Not much to add to what the others have said at this stage. Sorry to hear that you have been dealt a duff hand as regards your health at the moment, but sounds like you have good health care professionals supporting you. Hope you manage to reduce your levels through dietary changes and the Metformin enables your body to cope a little better. Do take them with food as they have a bit of a reputation for gastric upset. They are not unaffectionately referred to as "Metfartin" here on the forum for nothing. 🙄 Hope that antisocial wind is the maximum side effect you are afflicted with from them.
 
Firstly welcome to the forum.
Secondly thank you for your service.
Thirdly, that’s a lot to be dealing with all at once but there’s hope as the CLL doesn’t mean you can’t get the diabetes under control.

How long ago were you diagnosed with CLL and how recently did the diabetes symptoms arrive?

What dose of metformin are you on and how are you coping with it so far?

Has anyone given you dietary advice for the diabetes taking into consideration the CLL?

You’re probably aware but Bloodwise offer great support for those diagnosed with CLL so may well be worth looking into for support in addition to us here.

Do you have any specific questions or issues which immediately come to mind? If you do then ask away! Nothing is a stupid question and nothing is off limits either!
Thank you for your response. It is difficult to separate my CLL from the recent T2 diabetes diagnosis.

I was diagnosed with a CLL in June 2015 when aged 57. My GP found that my white blood cell count (wbc) was repeatedly a few points over the normal wbc range. I was then referred to a consultant haematologist, who gave me the bad news, but who then reassured me that this leukaemia ‘is the best one to have’ and that he was placing me on ‘watch and wait’. Some people stay on watch and wait for many years; conversely, others need treatment quite quickly - it all depends on your genetics. I believe the average age for diagnosis is around 70 years, and more men than women. Sadly, some people get CLL when quite young.

The NHS treats CLL in a number of ways; much depends upon how advanced you are when diagnosed, how aggressive are the symptoms, your age, and your health and related fitness. Median survival is 10 years, but many stay on watch and wait, and never need treatment. Many go on to have treatment, go into remission, and that is that; others relapse and have more treatment. From my point of view, treatment is about taking control - you give your absolute trust to your medical team - and following the instructions. I am on “targeted drug therapy”, and it is pretty much the best option for me. That said, everything is relative.

When you get to ‘a certain age’, things can go awry as with me. I first gained weight when taking my science degrees, but got it back down; however, injuries, taxi driving and a stressful divorce eventually led to my gaining weight again. As with many others, I also gained more weight in the pandemic. I then had back surgery in June 2021, and had to slow down. CLL kicked off last Christmas when I became anaemic and had to begin treatment. I then noticed odd symptoms after each infusion of obinutuzumab, but did not associate the symptoms with possible diabetes. I had intense thirst, constant urination, and felt weird. As stated previously, the nurse advised an immediate blood sugar test, following which my GP confirmed Type 2 NIDDM - he thought it was linked to the steroids. Coming as I do from a very active and athletic background it was a total shock! I then went home and chucked the biscuits…

FYI, during the army and when in the NHS, I was heavily involved in health and fitness training, and wellness counselling. I was certified under the American College of Sports Medicine as a health/fitness instructor (H/FI); am a holder of the Premier Global Health and Fitness Diploma, and certified under the Wright Foundation as a GP Referral Health Practitioner. I even once counselled those unfit and unhealthy on how to avoid Type 2 diabetes (but can’t seem to keep my own counsel!) All this was long ago, but it does not diminish my feelings of hypocrisy, stupidity and failure. So, let’s get a grip.

Regarding my diet, I dug out my old nutrition books and got reacquainted with the GI and GL, as relevant to controlling diabetes. Am now on a low/medium GI diet, and although not a ‘foodie’, I never ate British stodge. Biscuits, beer, and inactivity were my demons! Otherwise, my diet has been historically quite healthy; however, there is always room for change.

I am on 1 x 500 mg metformin per day for 1 week; second week, 2 per day; third week 3 per day. I’m hopeful that when the infusions are just once per month, meaning less steroids in the pre-treatment, my blood sugar readings will return to normal levels. I also do a lot of walking, which aids weight control, and which burns the Kcals. By monitoring the glycaemic load, maintaining my activities, and being positive I might just reverse this.

Will check out Bloodwise.

Cheers
 
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Ah - well - the bad news is that low GI and GL don't always mean low carb.
I have a very low tolerance for carbs and only eat twice a day, and under 40 gm of carbs in order to keep my blood glucose in normal numbers. The good news is that even on such a low number, I can have tasty and nourishing meals - and coffee with cream.
 
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