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IBS and moderate carbs, what to eat?

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Radders

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I don’t suffer frequently from IBS but when I do, it can incapacitate me for a couple of days. I haven’t identified any consistent triggers. As I’m just getting over a particularly nasty bout, I’ve been very nervous about what to eat, since most of my diet isn’t recommended!
Today I’ve had three rye crisp reads and a boiled egg and so far so good but hardly sustainable.
I’m also vegetarian.
What kind of things do you eat if you’re combining an IBS- with a diabetes- friendly diet?
 
Don’t have any issues with long cooked yellow lentils strangely? But like cooked 8hr min.

Leafy stuff seems to be ok also.
 
Don’t have any issues with long cooked yellow lentils strangely? But like cooked 8hr min.

Leafy stuff seems to be ok also.
I will have to remember that. I have never cooked anything for that long: do you use a slow cooker? I think that’s the only way I would be able to do it. Presumably you have to fast boil them first though?
 
Ah I guess you’re working and so on? I forget what real life is like sometimes!
I cook on the boil for that long!
If you go hunting in the Indian food shops you will probably find canned ones at reasonable prices.
Their preference tends to be for long cooked so they should be messy from the can, unlike the ones done for westerners that tend to be whole.....I’d have a go at sticking those in the slow cooker?
You’re looking for a texture a little like porridge?
 
Can you take any spice? I seem to be unbothered by anything but strong chilli?
If you can, try a little Tarkah Dahl, it’s a side dish given to women and children, very mild just stewed lentils....they will probably even deliver it!
 
Personally I can't tolerate anything spicy, but that may be my food intolerances rather than IBS.

Can you eat oats, diabetes-wise, @Radders? They are very good for IBS - I eat them every day and mine is pretty much under control now. I also find it helps to eat licorice, which sounds a bit odd, but it stops constipation without having the opposite effect! Peppermint tea - or just peppermints (Tic-tacs are virtually carb-free) - are helpful too, as mint relaxes your intestines. I drink peppermint and licorice tea, which is a bit of an acquired taste, but I love it!

When my IBS was bad I actually found that the best thing I could do was to ignore it and just plough on with all the food I eat normally - I mean, I have a fairly restricted diet, so I'm talking mostly plain food anyway, but I found that if I responded to the IBS by having a day eating nothing but toast it only helped for that day, and just made things worse in the long term, because it made me constipated not to eat normally and that would be followed by another bout of the runs, which would be followed by another day of just toast, and so on in a vicious circle.

You might find it helpful to limit yourself to low Fodmap foods (more info. here and there's a chart of low and high foods here) - it wouldn't work for me as there are too many things on the low list I couldn't eat because of my food intolerances, but I know other people who find it helpful. The low list might at least give you some ideas of things which are less likely to set off another bout of IBS, even if you don't stick to the diet completely.
 
Can you take any spice? I seem to be unbothered by anything but strong chilli?
If you can, try a little Tarkah Dahl, it’s a side dish given to women and children, very mild just stewed lentils....they will probably even deliver it!
Tarka Dahl is actually one of my staples from the takeaway, but I thought garlic was a no-no with IBS?
 
Personally I can't tolerate anything spicy, but that may be my food intolerances rather than IBS.

Can you eat oats, diabetes-wise, @Radders? They are very good for IBS - I eat them every day and mine is pretty much under control now. I also find it helps to eat licorice, which sounds a bit odd, but it stops constipation without having the opposite effect! Peppermint tea - or just peppermints (Tic-tacs are virtually carb-free) - are helpful too, as mint relaxes your intestines. I drink peppermint and licorice tea, which is a bit of an acquired taste, but I love it!

When my IBS was bad I actually found that the best thing I could do was to ignore it and just plough on with all the food I eat normally - I mean, I have a fairly restricted diet, so I'm talking mostly plain food anyway, but I found that if I responded to the IBS by having a day eating nothing but toast it only helped for that day, and just made things worse in the long term, because it made me constipated not to eat normally and that would be followed by another bout of the runs, which would be followed by another day of just toast, and so on in a vicious circle.

You might find it helpful to limit yourself to low Fodmap foods (more info. here and there's a chart of low and high foods here) - it wouldn't work for me as there are too many things on the low list I couldn't eat because of my food intolerances, but I know other people who find it helpful. The low list might at least give you some ideas of things which are less likely to set off another bout of IBS, even if you don't stick to the diet completely.
Oats don’t do me any good at all diabetes wise I’m afraid. I have tried having them in desperation and I couldn’t tell if it helped or not. It’s very difficult to work out what’s causing the problem when it seems to take three days for things to get through.
I know what you mean about ploughing on regardless and it was looking at all the FOdMAP stuff that really prompted my question. That’s why I figured ryvita might be ok because on one of the charts I read it said rye was ok, and with only 7g carbs it’s not going to spike me too much.
The added complication is that I’m away on holiday at the moment with no freezer and very limited cooking facilities!
i usually accompany every bit of carbs with fats to slow them down but am not sure if that’s a workable plan with IBS though.
 
If food's taking 3 days to get through, and if you can get to a shop, I'd try things like peanut butter or cashew butter, which should encourage the process! And also a bit of licorice (I get the Panda one, which doesn't have lots of nasty additives, and can be bought from supermarkets) - a small piece is about 3g carbs, so even though it's sweet it's not high carb unless you eat a lot.

The other thing is, if you're on IBS meds like Colpermin and you're constipated anyway, the meds probably aren't doing you any good at all. I once threw up (nothing to do with IBS, I'd just eaten an off apricot) 13 hours after taking a Colpermin capsule, and (sorry about the tmi here) the Colpermin came up whole, completely undigested. It was supposed to be going through in half an hour! I stopped taking them and it made no difference to my IBS at all - eating mints or drinking mint tea works better for me as a bowel relaxant because they have a better chance of getting through my system rapidly.

Fat-wise, I can eat yogurt twice a day, and nuts and hard cheese in moderation - I can't have cottage cheese, and I can't stand milk or butter anyway. Even a tiny teaspoon of cream is a bad idea - I keep trying this at Christmas or on holiday if R has a cream tea - but it's a triumph of hope over experience, it really doesn't agree with me.

Hope you can enjoy the rest of your holiday without any more IBS problems x
 
I cook lentils in the pressure cooker, and mushy peas. Proper mushy in less than an hour.
 
If food's taking 3 days to get through, and if you can get to a shop, I'd try things like peanut butter or cashew butter, which should encourage the process! And also a bit of licorice (I get the Panda one, which doesn't have lots of nasty additives, and can be bought from supermarkets) - a small piece
is about 3g carbs, so even though it's sweet it's not high carb unless you eat a lot.

The other thing is, if you're on IBS meds like Colpermin and you're constipated anyway, the meds probably aren't doing you any good at all. I once threw up (nothing to do with IBS, I'd just eaten an off apricot) 13 hours after taking a Colpermin capsule, and (sorry about the tmi here) the Colpermin came up whole, completely undigested. It was supposed to be going through in half an hour! I stopped taking them and it made no difference to my IBS at all - eating mints or drinking mint tea works better for me as a bowel relaxant because they have a better chance of getting through my system rapidly.

Fat-wise, I can eat yogurt twice a day, and nuts and hard cheese in moderation - I can't have cottage cheese, and I can't stand milk or butter anyway. Even a tiny teaspoon of cream is a bad idea - I keep trying this at Christmas or on holiday if R has a cream tea - but it's a triumph of hope over experience, it really doesn't agree with me.

Hope you can enjoy the rest of your holiday without any more IBS problems x

Thanks very much for your reply, it really helps to know I am not alone. When I said things take time to get through, that’s based on the fact that after not eating for two days I still had output, but not constipation - quite the opposite. That’s what I don’t understand and it makes it difficult to know what to eat. The only meds I’ve taken are buscopan and paracetamol for the pain. It’s no fun getting up and walking across a field every hour all night to go to the loo!
It has improved and today I risked a green banana for breakfast which spiked my sugars a bit, a bag of crisps which I couldn’t finish for lunch and two satsumas, and this evening really took a risk with a Moroccan tagine at cafe rouge, which was much spicier than I was expecting so we’ll see. I felt I needed to eat something substantial as I was getting awful acid and feeling weak. I took your advice about the peppermint tea after dinner and it really seems to have soothed things, so thank you.
 
Ah, that's what I thought from your original post, then I got misled by the 3 days, sorry! Sounds like a nightmare if you are camping 😱

Glad the peppermint tea helped, I hope that neither the spices nor the citrus set you off again - they're both things I couldn't eat, but I know citrus is low Fodmap, it just happens to be my worst food intolerance!
 
I'd agree with @mikeyB , and his recommendation for a pressure cooker.

If you are concerned about the old stories of pressure cookers exploding, then go for an electric variant. The modern ones have loads of safety mechanisms inbuilt. Personally, we have a Tower ctoke top version (I have never used personally, due to safety concerns), and an electric one. The brand I have is Instant Pot, which I would thoroughly recommend - especially as the inner pot is stainless steel, so no danger of peealing non-stick coatings. You can buy a spare non-stick pot for it, but I haven't found a real need yet.

Fall off the bone ribs in under 30 minutes? Frozen chicken portions in about 20 minutes? From frozen just takes a few minutes longer to reach pressure, but by-jimminy, it's great for those days when I forget to take something out of the freezer for dinner.) Lentils 2-10 minutes, depending on type.

Cooking times here: https://instantpot.com/instantpot-cooking-time/

The pot itself is here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Instant-Po...675538&sr=8-1&keywords=instant+pot+duo+7+in+1

I have no commercial connection with Instant Pot. I'm just one very satisfied customer.
 
A friend of mine suffers from it. He was saying on Facebook the other day that he has been doing a combination of "Mediterranean diet and Middle East diet" with pulses, lentils, etc. He has lowered his carb intake and increased the good fats like oily fish, nuts, olive oil, seeds etc. He said his IBS has now cleared up.

Not sure about the Mid East diet but the Med diet is normally as stated above with some poultry, small amounts of red meat, avocado, vegetables (green leafy) and fruit (but in moderation for us).

That is just one person, of course, and nothing is the same for everyone but it may be worth a try.
 
I'd agree with @mikeyB , and his recommendation for a pressure cooker.

If you are concerned about the old stories of pressure cookers exploding, then go for an electric variant. The modern ones have loads of safety mechanisms inbuilt. Personally, we have a Tower ctoke top version (I have never used personally, due to safety concerns), and an electric one. The brand I have is Instant Pot, which I would thoroughly recommend - especially as the inner pot is stainless steel, so no danger of peealing non-stick coatings. You can buy a spare non-stick pot for it, but I haven't found a real need yet.

Fall off the bone ribs in under 30 minutes? Frozen chicken portions in about 20 minutes? From frozen just takes a few minutes longer to reach pressure, but by-jimminy, it's great for those days when I forget to take something out of the freezer for dinner.) Lentils 2-10 minutes, depending on type.

Cooking times here: https://instantpot.com/instantpot-cooking-time/

The pot itself is here: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Instant-Po...675538&sr=8-1&keywords=instant+pot+duo+7+in+1

I have no commercial connection with Instant Pot. I'm just one very satisfied customer.
I still have my pressure cooker from 1986 so will possibly dig it out when I get home. I seem to recall it’s a bit of a pain to wash up though!
 
A friend of mine suffers from it. He was saying on Facebook the other day that he has been doing a combination of "Mediterranean diet and Middle East diet" with pulses, lentils, etc. He has lowered his carb intake and increased the good fats like oily fish, nuts, olive oil, seeds etc. He said his IBS has now cleared up.

Not sure about the Mid East diet but the Med diet is normally as stated above with some poultry, small amounts of red meat, avocado, vegetables (green leafy) and fruit (but in moderation for us).

That is just one person, of course, and nothing is the same for everyone but it may be worth a try.
Thank you, that’s interesting especially as quite a few of the things I associate with Mediterranean food are very high FODMAP (notably garlic and onion). I don’t eat meat at all so would need the dairy for the B vitamins, but interestingly my diet is normally full of a lot of the other foods. I don’t get IBS very often but when I do it can be a very painful experience indeed, as on this occasion. As I’m out and about at the moment it can be tricky to choose the right things!
 
Ah, that's what I thought from your original post, then I got misled by the 3 days, sorry! Sounds like a nightmare if you are camping 😱

Glad the peppermint tea helped, I hope that neither the spices nor the citrus set you off again - they're both things I couldn't eat, but I know citrus is low Fodmap, it just happens to be my worst food intolerance!
Ok so far thank you!
 
I still have my pressure cooker from 1986 so will possibly dig it out when I get home. I seem to recall it’s a bit of a pain to wash up though!
Last night, we had the leftovers of a chilli I had made a couple of weeks ago (and frozen, obviously). I cooked it pot-in-pot. By that I mean I put the usual cup of water in the pressure cooker, then have the chilli in a stainless steel bowl on a trivet to reheat it (15 minutes from solid brick to fiery delicious state. It turned out to be a hot one.). The bonus is the pressure cooker has only had water in it, so washing up is minimal.

Can you use pot-in-pot in your pressure cooker?
 
Last night, we had the leftovers of a chilli I had made a couple of weeks ago (and frozen, obviously). I cooked it pot-in-pot. By that I mean I put the usual cup of water in the pressure cooker, then have the chilli in a stainless steel bowl on a trivet to reheat it (15 minutes from solid brick to fiery delicious state. It turned out to be a hot one.). The bonus is the pressure cooker has only had water in it, so washing up is minimal.

Can you use pot-in-pot in your pressure cooker?
Sounds promising, thank you. Would it work for cooking from scratch as well as warming up? The lentils have to be cooked on a rolling boil for the first 10 minutes and I’m not sure a Bain Marie would achieve a high enough temperature?
 
So sorry to hear you're having problems with IBS Radders. Its a pain, literally. I've suffered with it since the 1980's when the pain was absolutely unbearable, I used to rock myself backwards & forwards to ease the pain and take Paracetamol. I was referred to a Consultant who prescribed Mebeverine (Colofac) three times a day taken no less than 20mins before a meal. That did help. However, I have found that I've only ever suffered about three mild bouts of IBS since dx in 2016. I wonder if following a low carb diet has played a part. I hope you get some relief soon so you can enjoy the rest of your holiday. Take care
WL
Edited. Incidentally, red meat, especially beef ~ boiled ham ~ and lettuce are just three examples of what would trigger a bout of my IBS. I don't have a problem with these foods now but I'm not taking any chances so I still take Mebeverine daily🙂
 
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