High blood sugar in the morning

[Pookie]

My blood sugar is always about 8 pre breakfast but I'm starving. If I have my preferred breakfast of overnight oats made with almond milk and some yoghurt and nuts then it generally goes up to 10-11 for at least an hour. How quickly coming down is acceptable? Does this matter if it is down to about 7 again by mid-late morning? I don't generally have a problem later in the day, its the breakfasts I can't get a grip on. I really hate cooked breakfast and I love yoghurt, fruit, home made nutty granola, porridge, that sort of thing. Any advice anyone??
(I can eat 85% chocolate and Grom dark chocolate ice cream in the evening to no effect.)

 

[Leadinglights]

My blood sugar is always about 8 pre breakfast but I'm starving. If I have my preferred breakfast of overnight oats made with almond milk and some yoghurt and nuts then it generally goes up to 10-11 for at least an hour. How quickly coming down is acceptable? Does this matter if it is down to about 7 again by mid-late morning? I don't generally have a problem later in the day, its the breakfasts I can't get a grip on. I really hate cooked breakfast and I love yoghurt, fruit, home made nutty granola, porridge, that sort of thing. Any advice anyone??
(I can eat 85% chocolate and Grom dark chocolate ice cream in the evening to no effect.)

Does the same thing happen with just yoghurt and berries, and it may depend on how much of your granola you have. The glucose level seems high because you are starting at a highish level though the increase is only the 2-3mmol/l increase which is ok.

 

[Drummer]

Possibly you are more insulin resistant in the mornings - that is what I found.
I'd not eat grain at all, so porridge would just not feature.
Yoghurt is something I buy each week - full fat Greek style, and I eat it with berries, and as I have some to use up I add in nut flours, just a spoonful stirred in - but I eat it as dessert after my evening meal - if you are having problems with what to have for breakfast then it might be a good option for you as my choice of stir fry or mushrooms with meat is not suitable.

 

[Pookie]

Does the same thing happen with just yoghurt and berries, and it may depend on how much of your granola you have. The glucose level seems high because you are starting at a highish level though the increase is only the 2-3mmol/l increase which is ok.

Thank you for replying to me. Yes, its better with just yoghurt and a few berries but I'm still hungry after that so have to fill up with oatcakes & peanut butter. Porridge is more sustaining. And I can't afford to lose any more weight. I think maybe I should ignore the high as it does come down by lunchtime and, as you say, the increase isn't that bad considering the starting high. The doc paused the Metformin and maybe if I restart it then my blood sugar will be lower first thing?

 

[Pookie]

Possibly you are more insulin resistant in the mornings - that is what I found.
I'd not eat grain at all, so porridge would just not feature.
Yoghurt is something I buy each week - full fat Greek style, and I eat it with berries, and as I have some to use up I add in nut flours, just a spoonful stirred in - but I eat it as dessert after my evening meal - if you are having problems with what to have for breakfast then it might be a good option for you as my choice of stir fry or mushrooms with meat is not suitable.

Thank you for replying. Maybe I'll try the porridge in the evening then. Perhaps that will mean I'm not so starving first thing. I just need to find something quick that will fill me up without pushing up the blood sugar. Is there such a thing??

 

[harbottle]

Thank you for replying to me. Yes, its better with just yoghurt and a few berries but I'm still hungry after that so have to fill up with oatcakes & peanut butter. Porridge is more sustaining. And I can't afford to lose any more weight. I think maybe I should ignore the high as it does come down by lunchtime and, as you say, the increase isn't that bad considering the starting high. The doc paused the Metformin and maybe if I restart it then my blood sugar will be lower first thing?

I have Greek yoghurty (2% fat), berries and peanut butter (Pure stuff) and it keeps me full until lunchtime. Sometimes so full I skip lunch or just have a few nuts.

I don‘t believe there’s any evidence that Metformin can prevent ‘dawn phenomenon’, and conversely no evidence that it can’t - not sure much research has been done on it. Some suggestions are to do some exercise in the mornings. Most of the research seems to have been done for Type 1s.

 

[grovesy]

It does not prevent it for me, my levels begin to rise from about 5-6 o'clock in the morning.Thatis before I am awake or up.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

A lot of it depends on how many carbs you eat.
Low carb usually manage higher morning reading, that comes down later.
Higher carbs and the morning reading can be lower.
It is what It is.

 

[Drummer]

Thank you for replying to me. Yes, its better with just yoghurt and a few berries but I'm still hungry after that so have to fill up with oatcakes & peanut butter. Porridge is more sustaining. And I can't afford to lose any more weight. I think maybe I should ignore the high as it does come down by lunchtime and, as you say, the increase isn't that bad considering the starting high. The doc paused the Metformin and maybe if I restart it then my blood sugar will be lower first thing?

Have you been tested for other forms of diabetes?
A type 2 usually puts on weight easily if eating anything remotely high in carbs such as oats.

In warm weather I often eat fish or boiled eggs and cheese with salad, coleslaw, or meat - I cook large chickens or various joints, which I eat with bubble and squeak made with swede rather than potato.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

Many of us eat a normal diet, and maintain excellent control, and weight.
A lot of us eat porridge for breakfast.
Personally, I put on weight on a high fat diet, I lost nearly 5 stones on low fat, so personally, ignore extreme posts, and find a diet that works for you.
Speak to your doctor and ask him to review your medication in the first instance.

 

[harbottle]

Weight loss by low calories or low carb has the same effect on weight loss if managed properly.
Choose the one that suits you best.
I chose low carb (Not zero, I still used to eat oats, and have a lot of vegetables and fruit) but avoided saturated fat and measured portions. When I eat a lot of fatty foods such as nuts, I put on weight.

Insulin resistance can cause weight gain as the excess insulin metabolises causes fat cells to take in the excess sugar.

With DP, the problem is ultimately that the body doesn't adjust properly to the changing levels and hence BG rises.
It may not be anything to worry about if it goes down and your BG remains at good levels for the rest of the day.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

Weight loss by low calories or low carb has the same effect on weight loss if managed properly.
Choose the one that suits you best.
I chose low carb (Not zero, I still used to eat oats, and have a lot of vegetables and fruit) but avoided saturated fat and measured portions. When I eat a lot of fatty foods such as nuts, I put on weight.

Insulin resistance can cause weight gain as the excess insulin metabolises causes fat cells to take in the excess sugar.

With DP, the problem is ultimately that the body doesn't adjust properly to the changing levels and hence BG rises.
It may not be anything to worry about if it goes down and your BG remains at good levels for the rest of the day.

Why is a diabetic different to anyone else that gets fat by overeating any food?
I was fat before I was insulin resistant.
Nothing to do with excess insulin or sugar.
Just the amount of food I stuffed into myself was to blame.

 

[harbottle]

Excessive insulin can lead to weight gain as it promotes fat storage.
Insulin resistance leads to more fat storage, which increases insulin resistance.
This is the 'cycle' in professor Taylor's work that leads to T2D.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

Excessive insulin can lead to weight gain as it promotes fat storage.
Insulin resistance leads to more fat storage, which increases insulin resistance.
This is the 'cycle' in professor Taylor's work that leads to T2D.

No it wasn't.
The only "fat storage" in the cycle was the liver and pancreas, which was nothing to do with carb intake.
I don't believe he ever connected carbs with anything to do with diabetes.
Note - the presentation clearly refers to "calories"
Hence my choice of a low fat diet, fat is twice as calorific as proteins or carbohydrates.