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Diabetes in History - Henry VIII

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SilentAssassin1642

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I've just watched a very interesting documentary called "Inside the body of Henry VIII" - you know what I'm like with my Tudor history. Anyone who is interested in history, look it up, it was a history channel production.

It looked at the deteriorating heath of Henry VIII, and how he turned from a sporty, dashing young prince into an obese, unhealthy recluse.

There was alot in it I didn't know, a lot I did. For instance, he suffered from bouts of fever including a bout of malaria which became chronic and affected him for the rest of his life, severe depression, a jousting accident (whereupon he was crushed by his own armour, his horse and his horses armour) which caused serious head unjury and leg injuries, varicose ulcers brought on by his tight hose and also his accident and ultimately, he had the symptoms of type 2 diabetes.

There are arguments that his own brother, Arthur, and his illigimate son henry Fitzroy passed away from Type 1 diabetes, both of them complaining of an unquenchable thirst, losing vast amounts of weight and eventually succumbing.

However when you look at the evidence of Henry and Type 2 (that's not to say that all type 2's are self inflicted as Henry would have been, heck even Henry may not have been, it could have been genetic - who knows it was nearly 500 years ago!)

  • A very poor diet consisting of huge amounts of red meat, pies, sweets, 70 pits of ale per week as well as countless bottles of wine sweetened with sugar.
  • Weighing over 400 lb, being unable to excersise
  • Ulcerous legs which may have been a sign of nueropathy - he did have very poor circulation!
  • Diminishing eyesight (retinopathy?)
  • Horrific moodswings - caused by uncontrolled high blood sugar levels?

All in all, a very convincing argument I think and I would give the world to be able to look into his medical records, go back in time and check his blood sugar!

The histoians in the documentary (including one of my favourite historians Robert Hutchinson) argued that uncontrolled type 2 was the ultimate cause of his death, with his ulcerous legs causing a huge stink (they were literally rotting away from him!), his huge weight and his very poor diet all contributing.

So what do we think? (remember, I say it may not have been lifestyle induced and possibly genetics - due to t2 not necessarily being lifestyle induced - but the historian in me has looked at the facts from this documentary as well as past reading and I really think that in Henry's case, his problems were his own doing)
 
Seems very solid evidence, but there's one thing missing.

He suffered from a series of strokes prior to his death possibly indicating circulatory problems and high blood pressure Diabetes can cause strokes.
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Seems very solid evidence, but there's one thing missing.

He suffered from a series of strokes prior to his death possibly indicating circulatory problems and high blood pressure Diabetes can cause strokes.
Anyway, famous people with Diabetes - Click this link.

http://www.diabetesdaily.com/wiki/Famous_People_with_Diabetes

The list includes two former Soviet leaders - Yuri Andropov and Mikhail Gorbachev. From the acting profession - James Cagney and Mae West. Musicians - Johnny Cash, Mealoaf and believe it or not, Elvis Presley.

there's no evidence that Henry suffered from strokes. Sorry, but you're talking to a Tudor historian here 😉 high blood pressure yes but I have never read anything about strokes nor found anything in my own research. He did of course have cirulatory problems which is half of the reason why he had so manty leg problems but I have never ever come across evidence of strokes. Where did you find the info about strokes?
 
The evidence that Henry VIII suffered srokes is in the second paragraph under life illnesses.

http://www.the-tudors.org.uk/death-of-henry-viii.htm

not a reliable resource I'm afraid 😉 where are the sources to back it up? I don't trust anything historical I read online unless it has decent sources and a decent bibliography to back it up - without other evidence to"proove" that was the case, it's not evidence I'm afraid. And in honesty, I would trust wikipedia (shudder) more than I trust a site like that
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Just reading up on Wikipedia about him. According to that ...

According to research published in March 2011, his wives' pattern of pregnancies and his mental deterioration suggests that the king may have been Kell positive and suffered from McLeod syndrome.

The clinical features of McLeod syndrome are ...

Patients usually begin to notice symptoms in their 50s and the course is usually slowly progressive. Common features include peripheral neuropathy, cardiomyopathy and hemolytic anemia. Other features include limb chorea, facial tics, other oral movements (lip and tongue biting), seizures, a late-onset dementia and behavioral changes.

Andy 🙂
 
Injecting some humour into thus thread (don't take this seriously folks)
Does this mean that serial marriages and beheadings of you associates is an undisclosed complication of type 2 diabetes? I was wondering why my palms got itchy every time i got near an axe.....😉
 
Injecting some humour into thus thread (don't take this seriously folks)
Does this mean that serial marriages and beheadings of you associates is an undisclosed complication of type 2 diabetes? I was wondering why my palms got itchy every time i got near an axe.....😉

Yes, watch out for those mood swings! :D
 
Given the later history of our Royals, is it possible he might have had porphyria? A lot of his reported symptoms would appear to match that too.
 
Given the later history of our Royals, is it possible he might have had porphyria? A lot of his reported symptoms would appear to match that too.

None of the later Royals were descended from Henry beyond 1603.
The porphyria is thought to have come in from the Scotch lot - Mary QoS and her son James VI/1. The urine of James was said to be as red as Alicante wine - a symptom of Porphyria.
 
Injecting some humour into thus thread (don't take this seriously folks)
Does this mean that serial marriages and beheadings of you associates is an undisclosed complication of type 2 diabetes? I was wondering why my palms got itchy every time i got near an axe.....😉

Didn't he die from a Surfeit of Wives ?😉
 
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