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Dexcon one+ vs libre 2 vs Dexcon G6

Kwilkins

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Parent of person with diabetes
My son, diagnosed nearly 2 years ago,had the libre 2, but over recent months he’s had so many error messages and way off readings so was given the dexcon G6 to trial. But after asking to swap to it was then told it was for people with pumps and no he couldn’t. Is this correct, does anyone have it without a pump please?
He’s now been given the Dexcon one+ but the first 2 he put in his arm errored, third time lucky but the alarm is so quiet and goes off for a short period of time he’s not hearing it at night even with sound up high, can you make it louder and can you have the alarm on but stop other notifications/calls coming in and disturbing sleep
Is the dexcon one+ any good ?
Any advice gratefully received as he’s trying to finish his masters and apply for jobs and the stress from
this is not good for him
 
Dexcom one and G6 are the same device but Dexcom one has some of the software throttled. There is a cost difference to his clinic so it tends to be prescribed first. The alarms work the same on both and he can set them to different tones and different frequency of alert in the app settings so he can check in there if he can optimise the in app alerts.

The next thing to look at is the Sugarmate app. I’m not sure now what Sugarmate will link to but I would suggest seeing if he can link it to the Sugarmate app and set it to phone him when he’s low (you get a robocall). I don’t think we in the UK can get all the data on the app now because of an issue with an update but the phone calls still work for me. I don’t know if the D one can link though or if that’s one of the things that’s throttled by the software. The phone is much harder to miss than the alerts and you can set whatever ringtone you want so that it’s louder.

Different phones will have different profiles for do not disturb which can be as simple as adding a phone number to your favourites and that will then bypass do not disturb. A lot of phones you can choose which apps are exempt from do not disturb or different profiles for different situations.

If Sugarmate doesn’t work with D one then it’s worth pushing his clinic to allow the G6 (or actually the G7 should be available to the clinic at the same cost) because sleeping through hypos is dangerous. It can be prescribed for use with a pen and if there is a medical need (like sleeping through alarms) then it should be prescribed even if it costs the NHS more.

If he’s having a lot of night time hypos then that needs looking at too. He should talk to clinic about his insulin ratios and basal and look at what’s causing them. It may be that during this stressful time he aims to run a bit high so as to avoid having hypos.

Also if he is having a lot of hypos he may be a good candidate for a pump.
 
Not quite, @Thebearcametoo. Dexcom One was a junior version of the G6. Dexcom One+ is a junior version of the G7.

When, in 2022, NICE upgraded their Guidance Notes NG17 and NG28 they did a number of things but in particular: they approved a wider selection of lower cost CGMs; they added onto the approved list of devices for the NHS in 2 categories of lower and higher cost; and they improved the availability of those in the lower cost bracket by specifically delegating the prescribing of lower cost CGMs to GPs - without a GP needing to be instructed by a Consultant to raise the repeat prescriptions. A GP could (should) use their own judgement.

One thing that got tangled up in these significant changes, @Kwilkins, was financial approvals. Pre Covid, in England (I'm not sure about Wales or Scotland and NI was already an Integrated set up) a major rearrangement of the myriad of small, discrete Cost Centre Groups (CCGs) was set up to become a much smaller number of regional Integrated Care Systems (ICS) each to be run by Integrated Care Boards (ICBs). In Bucks several CCGs were merged with several in Oxfordshire and several in West Berkshire to become the single Bucks, Oxon and Berks (W) Integrated Care System managed by the BOB(W) ICB.

After Covid the "go live" date for this significant rearrangement was set for 1 July 2022. However because of Covid much of the detailed admin work needed to implement this big change had not been done and GP Surgeries were left in transition still answering the their former CCGs, which still flexed their muscles because the ICBs existed on paper but not in practice. Indeed, even today that integration within the BOB(W) ICB is still murky: their is no postal address for it, no phone number only a web-site and direction to send questions etc to PALs. But the CCGs seem to have been subsumed into this ICB.

So NG17 and NG28 are in place, Guidance Notes without financial provision, with amendments from Spring 2022 and sometimes without GP Surgeries understanding they now have independent authority to prescribe - possibly because their former CCG hasn't provided the financial cover and maybe has also now become a different financial authority.

Libre 2 (now 2+) and Dexcom One+ are in the lower cost bracket, now wholly within the gift of GPs - subject to their ICB budget authorisations. Libre 3, Dexcom G6 and G7 are in the higher cost bracket and need Hospital based approval. Historically these more exoensive CGMs were only associated with pumps and the higher tech duabetes systems. Once approved the prescription is raised and managed by that Hospital Trust. In most cases the Hospital's have call-off contracts with Abbott or Dexcom and for my G7 I receive 9 x 10 day G7s every quarter, automatically. No necessity for requesting a repeat script and none of this nonsense of being constrained to monthly repeats (ie effectively no reserve when the tech fails).

You asked, @Kwilkins, "Is this correct, does anyone have it without a pump please?". The answer is Yes. I have G7 with no pump and there are forum members with G6 and no pump. But, as I understand matters, we each have these provided by their Hospital, after a Consultant has made a business case to their financial masters, and that supply comes direct to the patient. The GP is by-passed. Until recent upgrades to phone models and/or Android or ios, Dexcom One+ was a pretty good system, slightly different in detail to Libre 2 / 2+, but essentially the same. One useful difference is that Dexcom One+ has the ability to work to a handheld Receiver (the equivalent to Libre's hand held Reader) INDEPENDENTLY of any mobile phone.

Your son ought to be able to nudge his GP to prescribe that Receiver, as part of ensuring his "prescribed medication" (ie Dex One+) can be used. The chances are your GP won't know this is possible, or is constrained by financial authority (who have a natural intent to resist - won't want to open a flood gate). Any user can purchase their own Receiver direct from Dexcom, c.£50 (VATexempt). With a Receiver your son will have excellent easy use of his sensors, but will periodically need to upload and share his Receiver data to wherever it was going automatically, from his phone.

The whole business is an administrative bureaucratic mess, which can't keep up with technology changes, nor the massive widening of CGM requirements and availability since Covid. Further complicated by Abbott and Dexcom trying to increase their market share and approaching GPs direct with sales techniques that seem to be swaying Surgeries to alter their scripts, sometimes without a GP (who isn't expected to deal with T1 insulin dependent patients anyway) asking the Patient first.

It does help to know how the system works to be able to influence change/adjustment/improvement. Do let us know how this unfolds, please. Your son may be helping adjustment by creating precedent!
 
As I understand it the Dexcom One (and later One+ I think but I’m not sure) are cost-equivalent with Libre2 / 2+ and are both available on tariff by prescription, whereas the Dex G6 is more expensive, and needs funding / contract to be set up between the local health authority and Dexcom directly.

Like @Thebearcametoo I was under the impression that the actual devices Dexcom One / G6 were the same, it was just that the software was different. The One+ looks the same size and shape as the Dex G7.

I moved away from Dexcom when I changed my pump, so I’m a bit out of the loop.
 
One useful difference is that Dexcom One+ has the ability to work to a handheld Receiver (the equivalent to Libre's hand held Reader) INDEPENDENTLY of any mobile phone.
Can you explain this?
My understanding is that the Libre 2 (and 2+) reader also works independently of a smartphone (note, the phone has to be "smart" not just mobile). It works in a similar way to the Dexcom receiver in terms of uploading data.
 
When I had Libre 2 there was a definite sequence needed to starting a sensor on a Reader as well as my smart phone. Otherwise you couldn't have both at the same time. I don't know if the 2+ has improved this. But since it is still essentially the original Libre Reader, my cynicism is that probably no change.

With Dexcom One+ and G7 you can pair a sensor to either device at any time in the sensors 10 day life. One convenience from this is after 10 days there is a 12 hour grace period during which the sensor continues sending data to either device. I often let one device run on, and pair the other shortly after the sensor has finished its precise 10 days. This takes away some pressure to "change my sensor" immediately; I choose when I want to make that change. There is continuity and the ability to look at the expiring sensor readings while the new one is settling down. It seems stupid, in the wider scheme of things; but these small wins feel good! Even if the 12 hour grace period is left active on both devices, the new sensor start time is taken from the exact 10 day expiry time; so you don't gain a 1/2 day every 10 days!
 
Dexcom one and G6 are the same device but Dexcom one has some of the software throttled. There is a cost difference to his clinic so it tends to be prescribed first. The alarms work the same on both and he can set them to different tones and different frequency of alert in the app settings so he can check in there if he can optimise the in app alerts.

The next thing to look at is the Sugarmate app. I’m not sure now what Sugarmate will link to but I would suggest seeing if he can link it to the Sugarmate app and set it to phone him when he’s low (you get a robocall). I don’t think we in the UK can get all the data on the app now because of an issue with an update but the phone calls still work for me. I don’t know if the D one can link though or if that’s one of the things that’s throttled by the software. The phone is much harder to miss than the alerts and you can set whatever ringtone you want so that it’s louder.

Different phones will have different profiles for do not disturb which can be as simple as adding a phone number to your favourites and that will then bypass do not disturb. A lot of phones you can choose which apps are exempt from do not disturb or different profiles for different situations.

If Sugarmate doesn’t work with D one then it’s worth pushing his clinic to allow the G6 (or actually the G7 should be available to the clinic at the same cost) because sleeping through hypos is dangerous. It can be prescribed for use with a pen and if there is a medical need (like sleeping through alarms) then it should be prescribed even if it costs the NHS more.

If he’s having a lot of night time hypos then that needs looking at too. He should talk to clinic about his insulin ratios and basal and look at what’s causing them. It may be that during this stressful time he aims to run a bit high so as to avoid having hypos.

Also if he is having a lot of hypos he may be a good candidate for a pump.
Thank you so much for taking the time to reply, that’s incredibly helpful and I’ll ask him to look at the sugarmate app as well as your other suggestions.
 
Not quite, @Thebearcametoo. Dexcom One was a junior version of the G6. Dexcom One+ is a junior version of the G7.

When, in 2022, NICE upgraded their Guidance Notes NG17 and NG28 they did a number of things but in particular: they approved a wider selection of lower cost CGMs; they added onto the approved list of devices for the NHS in 2 categories of lower and higher cost; and they improved the availability of those in the lower cost bracket by specifically delegating the prescribing of lower cost CGMs to GPs - without a GP needing to be instructed by a Consultant to raise the repeat prescriptions. A GP could (should) use their own judgement.

One thing that got tangled up in these significant changes, @Kwilkins, was financial approvals. Pre Covid, in England (I'm not sure about Wales or Scotland and NI was already an Integrated set up) a major rearrangement of the myriad of small, discrete Cost Centre Groups (CCGs) was set up to become a much smaller number of regional Integrated Care Systems (ICS) each to be run by Integrated Care Boards (ICBs). In Bucks several CCGs were merged with several in Oxfordshire and several in West Berkshire to become the single Bucks, Oxon and Berks (W) Integrated Care System managed by the BOB(W) ICB.

After Covid the "go live" date for this significant rearrangement was set for 1 July 2022. However because of Covid much of the detailed admin work needed to implement this big change had not been done and GP Surgeries were left in transition still answering the their former CCGs, which still flexed their muscles because the ICBs existed on paper but not in practice. Indeed, even today that integration within the BOB(W) ICB is still murky: their is no postal address for it, no phone number only a web-site and direction to send questions etc to PALs. But the CCGs seem to have been subsumed into this ICB.

So NG17 and NG28 are in place, Guidance Notes without financial provision, with amendments from Spring 2022 and sometimes without GP Surgeries understanding they now have independent authority to prescribe - possibly because their former CCG hasn't provided the financial cover and maybe has also now become a different financial authority.

Libre 2 (now 2+) and Dexcom One+ are in the lower cost bracket, now wholly within the gift of GPs - subject to their ICB budget authorisations. Libre 3, Dexcom G6 and G7 are in the higher cost bracket and need Hospital based approval. Historically these more exoensive CGMs were only associated with pumps and the higher tech duabetes systems. Once approved the prescription is raised and managed by that Hospital Trust. In most cases the Hospital's have call-off contracts with Abbott or Dexcom and for my G7 I receive 9 x 10 day G7s every quarter, automatically. No necessity for requesting a repeat script and none of this nonsense of being constrained to monthly repeats (ie effectively no reserve when the tech fails).

You asked, @Kwilkins, "Is this correct, does anyone have it without a pump please?". The answer is Yes. I have G7 with no pump and there are forum members with G6 and no pump. But, as I understand matters, we each have these provided by their Hospital, after a Consultant has made a business case to their financial masters, and that supply comes direct to the patient. The GP is by-passed. Until recent upgrades to phone models and/or Android or ios, Dexcom One+ was a pretty good system, slightly different in detail to Libre 2 / 2+, but essentially the same. One useful difference is that Dexcom One+ has the ability to work to a handheld Receiver (the equivalent to Libre's hand held Reader) INDEPENDENTLY of any mobile phone.

Your son ought to be able to nudge his GP to prescribe that Receiver, as part of ensuring his "prescribed medication" (ie Dex One+) can be used. The chances are your GP won't know this is possible, or is constrained by financial authority (who have a natural intent to resist - won't want to open a flood gate). Any user can purchase their own Receiver direct from Dexcom, c.£50 (VATexempt). With a Receiver your son will have excellent easy use of his sensors, but will periodically need to upload and share his Receiver data to wherever it was going automatically, from his phone.

The whole business is an administrative bureaucratic mess, which can't keep up with technology changes, nor the massive widening of CGM requirements and availability since Covid. Further complicated by Abbott and Dexcom trying to increase their market share and approaching GPs direct with sales techniques that seem to be swaying Surgeries to alter their scripts, sometimes without a GP (who isn't expected to deal with T1 insulin dependent patients anyway) asking the Patient first.

It does help to know how the system works to be able to influence change/adjustment/improvement. Do let us know how this unfolds, please. Your son may be helping adjustment by creating precedent!
Thank you so much for taking the time to reply, that’s all very interesting and useful to know. What is a hand held receiver please, he’s only ever had it linked to his phone?
 
Thank you so much for taking the time to reply, that’s all very interesting and useful to know. What is a hand held receiver please, he’s only ever had it linked to his phone?
This device is a small portable receiver that provided its within range of the sensor (= broadly the same room) it provides similar data that is received by the app on a phone. My G7 Receivercfits comfortably un the palm of my hand. My personal view is that the Dexcom Receivers are somewhat better than Libre Readers, being a bit smaller, more discrete and just generally more modern. It can be used as an independent source of getting the sensor data, which otherwise is picked up by the phone and it's Dexcom app.

If that data is shared through the Internet and using a cable to connect (which comes with the Reader) then a User can also look back at historical data through Dexcom's software called Clarity. If your son's CGM has been prescribed, the data will already be shared as a routine process from his phone. Setting the Receiver up to do that is straightforward for Receivers from Dexcom (or Readers from Abbott for Libre CGMs).
 
Dexcom one and G6 are the same device but Dexcom one has some of the software throttled. There is a cost difference to his clinic so it tends to be prescribed first. The alarms work the same on both and he can set them to different tones and different frequency of alert in the app settings so he can check in there if he can optimise the in app alerts.

The next thing to look at is the Sugarmate app. I’m not sure now what Sugarmate will link to but I would suggest seeing if he can link it to the Sugarmate app and set it to phone him when he’s low (you get a robocall). I don’t think we in the UK can get all the data on the app now because of an issue with an update but the phone calls still work for me. I don’t know if the D one can link though or if that’s one of the things that’s throttled by the software. The phone is much harder to miss than the alerts and you can set whatever ringtone you want so that it’s louder.

Different phones will have different profiles for do not disturb which can be as simple as adding a phone number to your favourites and that will then bypass do not disturb. A lot of phones you can choose which apps are exempt from do not disturb or different profiles for different situations.

If Sugarmate doesn’t work with D one then it’s worth pushing his clinic to allow the G6 (or actually the G7 should be available to the clinic at the same cost) because sleeping through hypos is dangerous. It can be prescribed for use with a pen and if there is a medical need (like sleeping through alarms) then it should be prescribed even if it costs the NHS more.

If he’s having a lot of night time hypos then that needs looking at too. He should talk to clinic about his insulin ratios and basal and look at what’s causing them. It may be that during this stressful time he aims to run a bit high so as to avoid having hypos.

Also if he is having a lot of hypos he may be a good candidate for a pump.
I would just like to say a big thank you for the info on the sugarmate app, my son has set it up and it’s proving helpful and a useful back up
 
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