Anyone tried the 800 calories a day thing?

[zoombapup]

Hi all,

I've got a hospital visit to see the diabetic registrar there in mid January. I'm thinking of telling them that I'm going to try the 800 calorie diet for a few months so want to come off the insulin and ozempic.

Just wondered if anyone had tried the 800 calorie diet themselves? This is basically what Mark? Moseley is promoting in the books he's written on reversal. I know I can do 800 a day ok and would be fine for a few months if I can then switch to a "normal" HCLF type of diet for maintenance.

If any of you have tried it, how did you find things? enough recipes to make things interesting?

I've found the HCLF approach ok, but I'm eating too many calories still (my blood sugar levels seem fine, but to really lose weight it seems reasonable to go for a quicker reduction if its time limited).

 

[everydayupsanddowns]

Im not sure Prof Shaw’s Taylor’s 800 cal ‘Newcastle’ diet was ever supposed to be undertaken unsupported at home.

there have been several threads on it over recent years though, so it might be worth a search for ‘800 cal’ ‘800 calorie’ or ‘Newcastle Diet’?

 

[DaveB]

Hi. Whilst the 800 calorie diet may well help it's not optimal in my opinion. As diabetics we need to keep the carbs down and controlling calories can end up controlling fats rather than carbs (wrong) as fats have twice the calories of carbs but are not a problem. Michael Mosely is in the business of selling new books each year. My advice is always to forget Calories as they are not a food group; just get the right food group mix and quantity right and keep the carbs as part of that.

 

[Eddy Edson]

Im not sure Prof Shaw’s 800 cal ‘Newcastle’ diet was ever supposed to be undertaken unsupported at home.

these have been several threads on it over recent years though, so it might be worth a search for ‘800 cal’ ‘800 calorie’ or ‘Newcastle Diet’?

Prof Roy Taylor, not "Prof Shaw". His book has just been released in the UK, for people who are into diabetes books: https://www.waterstones.com/book/life-without-diabetes/professor-roy-taylor/9781780724096

It has an intro by Mosely, which seems a bit tail-wagging-dog to me - why would I care very much what a media doctor has to say about a real researcher?

Taylor's site at Newcastle University might be a better source for info: https://www.ncl.ac.uk/magres/research/diabetes/reversal/#publicinformation

Like the work, not so much the message that this applies to *all* T2D (if you catch it soon enough).

 

[everydayupsanddowns]

Prof Roy Taylor, not "Prof Shaw".

Ooops! Not quite sure what my brain was doing there Well spotted!

Prof Mike Lean is another involved in this I think - and I believe DUK are funding the DiRECT study.

 

[ianf0ster]

If you like the idea of a crash diet - then go ahead. Just be aware that:-
1). Crash diets ultimately 'fail' for the majority of people, who tend to weigh even more after 2yrs than before the diet because such diets usually reduce the resting metabolic rate.
2). There is no instant fix for pretty much any form of Diabetes - not Type 2 , Type 1 etc. Some form of permanent lifestyle change is required (not just exercise).
3). Though it isn't supported by DUK, probably more Type 2's achieve long term remission without dieting by adopting a Low Carb (higher Protein or Fat) 'Way Of Eating'. Often in 4 weeks of less and often without the need for any involuntary additional exercise. Meaning they only take more exercise because they have so much more energy, feel better and really want to walk, jog, swim. cycle etc. for pleasure! There are several GP practices in the UK which have remission rates as high or higher on Low Carb compared with Newcastle Diet or Dr Moseley's Blood Sugar diet.

 

[zoombapup]

I'm doing the LCHF thing too, I just feel like a quick weight loss regime will help me a bit if I can then revert to LCHF after it (rather than revert to high carb again). As I've said, did it before, so I'm curious if it'll work as well this time.

 

[Sally W]

I'm doing the LCHF thing too, I just feel like a quick weight loss regime will help me a bit if I can then revert to LCHF after it (rather than revert to high carb again). As I've said, did it before, so I'm curious if it'll work as well this time.

If you do try it Michael Mosley Fast 800 has some brilliant very easy recipes. I use the book every week (although I don’t stick to 800 calories). Ultimately you want the food to be tasty